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Case Weight?
Mar 21st, 2022 at 4:42am
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I know we all weigh our bullets, but is it necessary to weigh a sized/trimmed case? I'm breech seating a .32-40CPA, so the bullet is not in contact with the case. I weighed 50 cases today and they were all +/- 3.1 gr of each other.  Just wondering if its something to worry about.  Thanks.
  
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Reply #1 - Mar 21st, 2022 at 8:42am
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The density of brass is of the order of 10X that of gunpowder.  So if the weights of the cases varies by 3 grains, the volume differences will be negligible for our purposes.

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I started BPCR silhouette in 1992 with a 45/70 with brass I had acquired different times and places. With many efforts to improve accuracy I finally weigh sorted all my brass. I marked the cases to identify them. I only shot the same weight lot any one animal and my scores improved a good bit. I was shooting up to 550 yards at the rams and the body is only about 13" tall not counting the legs, head, etc. You need a load shooting better than 2 MOA to get consistent hits on the rams. The turkey at 421 yards is similar to shooting a soccer ball size target at that distance. Weigh sorting helped me.
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 21st, 2022 at 10:35am
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Deadeye Bly wrote on Mar 21st, 2022 at 8:42am:
I started BPCR silhouette in 1992 with a 45/70 with brass I had acquired different times and places. With many efforts to improve accuracy I finally weigh sorted all my brass. I marked the cases to identify them. I only shot the same weight lot any one animal and my scores improved a good bit. I was shooting up to 550 yards at the rams and the body is only about 13" tall not counting the legs, head, etc. You need a load shooting better than 2 MOA to get consistent hits on the rams. The turkey at 421 yards is similar to shooting a soccer ball size target at that distance. Weigh sorting helped me.


Good point, John.   I didn't take into account other factors besides capacity of the case.   Neck thickness, e.g., could make a difference in weight as well as affecting point of impact.

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Reply #4 - Mar 21st, 2022 at 11:29am
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Be careful.  Two cases that have different weights might not also have different neck thicknesses.

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For precision shooting - be it with jacketed or cast bullets (breech seated or fixed) - EVERYTHING MATTERS. Be it brass consistency, neck thickness, primer pockets, bullet weights, primers. It all matters. Some things are minor others major but it all adds up to more accurate bullet placement.
By the way . . . a lot of practice doesn't hurt either.
  

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Reply #6 - Mar 21st, 2022 at 12:09pm
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RSW wrote on Mar 21st, 2022 at 11:41am:
For precision shooting - be it with jacketed or cast bullets (breech seated or fixed) - EVERYTHING MATTERS. Be it brass consistency, neck thickness, primer pockets, bullet weights, primers. It all matters. Some things are minor others major but it all adds up to more accurate bullet placement.
By the way . . . a lot of practice doesn't hurt either.


But, but all you need to do is put the crosshairs on the bullseye and pull the trigger. Right? Right? Cheesy
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 21st, 2022 at 12:18pm
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I find that if you JERK the trigger instead of pulling it, it makes the hammer hit the primer harder. That makes the prime go off with more flash, which makes the powder burn hotter, which creates a little more chamber pressure, thus making the bullet go faster! All those benefits from just being more forceful in your trigger pull. Ain't science great Wink
  

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Sounds more like alchemy. Oh, beg your pardon, that would be what we do when hunched over a lead pot.
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 21st, 2022 at 5:48pm
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Randy was that in Chapter 2?  Grin
  
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Yeh, it's on last page of that chapter, very small print at the bottom. Most readers miss it  Wink
  

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Reply #11 - Mar 22nd, 2022 at 10:28am
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If using multiple cases there will be some that will not shoot to the same point of impact and should be discarded. It is also very common for them to fall off / change their point of impact after X amount of firings. The only way to identify these cases would be to shoot and sort them. Those that don't go into the same group are the ones that need to be discarded. A friend and a top breech seating benchrest competitor shooting multiple cases in his 32-20 CPA would buy and sort 500 cases a year. His entire process including shooting and sorting, case life firings before their accuracy fell off is one that he would have to explain he is also on this site. 
I have sat next to at numerous practice outings and watched him shoot back to back 200 yard 250's at numerous outings. I have also watched him shoot and sort and throw away numerous new cases. 
Another friend Bob Birmley a top Heavy Class CBA competitor and record holder would also shoot and sort his 30BR cases after being fully prepped. He only used one case and reload it at the bench and using Wilson Dies. His cases accuracy would also fall off after X amount of firings and several of his new cases just would not shoot and would be discarded. 
Why some cases just would not shoot and why their accuracy fell off after X amount of firings has always been a mystery to me to why. 
So it got me starting to shoot and sort my 32-40 cases and I also used one case and would reload it at the bench and breech seating. And there were some new cases and all from the same lot that just would not shoot small groups and just something else for one to also take into consideration. 
  

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Reply #12 - Mar 22nd, 2022 at 11:54am
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Precision in all "mechanical" things importantly also helps
reduce the "Mind Games" when shooting-The peace of mind....
Confidence....
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Reply #13 - Mar 31st, 2022 at 11:26am
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In Benchrest shooting we weight a number of cases (100) prior to our normal case preparation of these cases.   Typically, we would shoot, let's say 30 of the same weight cases a few times to get them to conform to the chamber, afterward we would pay more attention to the cases that shot the best while working up the best load.  We would use these cases (say 10 cases), over and over, to shoot the match targets.
  
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Reply #14 - Apr 6th, 2022 at 2:41pm
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And some days, none of the sorting matters.

I shot Hunter Class Benchrest several years.  I did all the things mentioned, and usually shot in the top five.  We had these matches in the Trans Continental Hunter League, nation wide, and the club just submitted the top five scores for nationals.
One time I drove to Denver to shoot the "Firewalker" match.  Gentleman named Eric Ambler (sp?) was a good shooter.  He picked up five pieces of range brass the day before the match.
Four different commercial brand cases, and one LC-something 308.  He trimmed them, turned the case necks, and shot them in the match.  Oh, yeah, he won the 100/200yd aggregate.  The HBR target had six bullseyes.  One shot on each of five bulls, and the bottom left was for spotters; checking wind changes, etc.  He had exactly ONE bullet hole in each bullseye.  So, just one shot on each, including the spotter.
Dave Brennan was editor of Precision Shooting Magazine at the time.  He was speechless.
We used to call that "Being in the zone...".  You simply cannot load and fire fast enough, and conditions, prep, etc, do not change/matter for you.  I had one day like that, some of the competitors said it sounded like I was shooting a semi-auto rifle.  It is magic.  I tied the score at 100 yards, broke the tie on X-count, I tied the score at 200yds, broke the tie on X-count; and tied the 100/200 Grand Aggregate, broke the tie on X-count.  Unfortunately, I never had another magic day since.  Every now and then, I go out to my gun room and admire those trophies on the wall.

But, 99% of the time, the prep is well worth it.  And, yes, those 20 cases were sorted out of 250 DWM 308 match brass and well prepped.

take care,

Rich

PS: if you think it helps, it probably does.  Do some step that cuts .050" off your group size.  Do that five times, and you shoot a 1/4" smaller group and win.

Sorry to hijack the thread, but some days...
  
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