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22 R/F that will not chamber.
Mar 14th, 2022 at 11:02pm
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Took my little 22 R/F BSA Martini out for a gallop on Sunday and had five cases that would not chamber.
On close inspection the cases that would chamber came out at .223 for the cases and .225 for the lead.
For the ones that wouldn't chamber all the cases were ok and also the lead except a small amount just in front of the case which came out at .229 which makes me wonder if for some reason the cases were a touch longer and bulged the lead out a bit sufficient for them not to chamber.
Tried pushing them in with my finger with a lot of pressure until a quarter of an inch was left and then had to get a screw driver to ease tham out.
Definitely not the sort of thing you would want when shooting in a match or hunting if you haven't got anything to get under the rim to eject them.
Can't do it with a finger nail.
  
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Re: 22 R/F that will not chamber.
Reply #1 - Mar 14th, 2022 at 11:49pm
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Might have a carbon ring building up in the front of the chamber, either that or some leading. I have two of the little rifles and do use a bronze bore brush to clean the chamber and throat well. Back when 22rf ammo was plentiful and match ammo wasn't like too expensive always cleaned out the chamber well as the barrel. Never had the problem such as you describe. JB Bore paste works well in the 22rf. Then the ammo could well be at fault. Only change one variable at a time so you know what works. Frank
  
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Reply #2 - Mar 15th, 2022 at 8:56am
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If a carbon ring it can take some work to get it out with JB and I would also recommend the same. Just wanted to let you know a couple of strokes might do it depending on how bad it might be and it could take quite abit more work. If you have a means to view the area it should be able to be clearly seen by just your eye. It will appear as a minute looking donut that doesn't belong there.
  

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Re: 22 R/F that will not chamber.
Reply #3 - Mar 15th, 2022 at 12:44pm
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Take a close look at the lube. Looking at your picture of the RWS ammo it is an old box of ammo. ( I have some just like it). I have quite a few boxes of Eley subsonic (old) that will not chamber in any rifle I have and the reason is the lube got hard and feels very abrasive . I haven't figured out what to do with this Eley since 22RF ammo is hard to come by. Anyone have any ideas ??  Cry
  
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Re: 22 R/F that will not chamber.
Reply #4 - Mar 15th, 2022 at 12:53pm
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wipe it clean and relive with any of your fav. lube  art
  
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Re: 22 R/F that will not chamber.
Reply #5 - Mar 15th, 2022 at 1:18pm
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You likely, as stated, have a monster carbon ring in your leade. With a 22 it is actually a carbon/lead ring because that is where the unlubricated  base of the slug expands into the throat.
JB can be harmful since it will remove metal and many get overzealous. The best way to address it is C4 carbon cleaner. Follow directions and let it soak 15-20 minutes in the throat and after 1-2 applications it will get right down to clean metal without scrubbing.
  

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Re: 22 R/F that will not chamber.
Reply #6 - Mar 15th, 2022 at 6:28pm
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I picked up half a case of Lapua Midas that will not chamber in a match chamber because the lube is like a rock. I have set up my collet style bullet puller and made a nylon holder that is cut to just expose the bullet. I compress it to the same point with the collet so it just pushes in to my rifle by hand. Seems to shot fine indoor, plan to try it at 100 and 200 soon since the weather (fingers crossed) is getting better.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 15th, 2022 at 6:53pm
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Tim_s that is just not so about the use of JB if one knows how to actually go about cleaning their rifle. I have been using it for over three years now in my 32-40 Douglas barrel and set a National Record with it back in 2013. Barrel has abit over 144,000 lead and tin bullets down the bore and it is still extremely competitive in regards for use in Schuetzen Benchrest.
  

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Re: 22 R/F that will not chamber.
Reply #8 - Mar 15th, 2022 at 9:16pm
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Probably lube dry or lead oxidation. Wipe the bullets nose with a rag & sparse coat of Balistol. Might be surprised how well it shoots. I have some very old RWS R 50 that shoots good scores offhand. All with wiped noses. 

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Re: 22 R/F that will not chamber.
Reply #9 - Mar 16th, 2022 at 4:02pm
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JLouis wrote on Mar 15th, 2022 at 6:53pm:
Tim_s that is just not so about the use of JB if one knows how to actually go about cleaning their rifle. I have been using it for over three years now in my 32-40 Douglas barrel and set a National Record with it back in 2013. Barrel has abit over 144,000 lead and tin bullets down the bore and it is still extremely competitive in regards for use in Schuetzen Benchrest.


“if one know how to use it”. It does remove metal. Do you know  how many barrels over the years we’ve seen ruined by overzealous JB use?
When I read about a guy using it for an hour…I cringe.
And yes John, I know you won a match….you post it at least once a month.

The point was, why use an abrasive, potentially harmful when you can use a safe, non abrasive chemical, generally quicker  for carbon ?
  

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Reply #10 - Mar 16th, 2022 at 4:39pm
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It has absolutely nothing to do with winning a match, a national championship setting a national record or any of my other own personal accomplishments by any means. It only has to do with cleaning ones own rifle for his own long term competitive use while also using JB. 
A fouled barrel has a multitude of abrasives inside of the bore and most just coming from the primers alone. 
When cleaning one does not want the cleaning patch to exist the bore and if so the abrasives will create a belled mouth and accuracy will then eventually fall off. When I clean my rifle I use 5 strokes in the first 1/3 of the barrel, 3 in the second 3rd and one in the last. This I was taught to do by a barrel maker and just not something that I made up. If doing so you will eventually create a choke at the muzzle or to maintain one that is already there. You are indeed correct in that something is indeed being removed but if one uses it to his own advantage it is a real good thing and not one that can become destructive to the rifles ultimate accuracy instead of. 
I am not trying to tell anyone what they should do but only what one of the best barrel makers during his own time had taught me how to clean.  We have been called to be the care takers of some very historical rifles and the proper cleaning methods for doing so are also a big part of just doing that. 
  

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Re: 22 R/F that will not chamber.
Reply #11 - Mar 16th, 2022 at 6:59pm
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John, read the OP. This is about chamber and/or carbon ring. Nobody gives a rats red azz how you clean your barrel

P.S. I assume the barrel maker taught you all this long before all the great solvents for lead, copper, carbon requiring far less effort and potential for damage.
  

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Re: 22 R/F that will not chamber.
Reply #12 - Mar 16th, 2022 at 10:56pm
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Hi Boats, 
I bought a whole brick of these a few years ago from a deceased estate which my shooting club sold off for his widow and now have three packets left.
I had another look at the offending rounds with a magnifying glass and could see no dried lube or anything else wrong with them.
Thought to try what you advised but but instead of a rag used fine wire wool. Brought the lead up nice and shiny and took all the lube of as well. Made a point of concentrating on where the bullet entered the case.
Tried chambering and it still wouldn't chamber.
The lead is nice and true to the case which is no different in size from the ones that will chamber and it is still my belief that something went wrong at the factory and either the case is a fraction too long making the rear of the lead bullet to bulge out or the bullet was pressed into the case too far also causing the lead to expand at this point where it enters the case.
If there was anything wrong with the chamber like a carbon ring it would surely affect the rounds that chamber ok.

  
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Re: 22 R/F that will not chamber.
Reply #13 - Mar 17th, 2022 at 12:32am
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As with the OP, I too have had .22s that will not chamber over the years. Try them in other rifles and the same thing. The cases mike out a few thou over. No carbon ring or build up or anything just plain oversized...Period. Just something in the manufacturing process i assume....
  
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