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Reply #15 - Mar 12th, 2022 at 11:51am
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I've done some modeling of fluted barrels. For an equal weight they are stiffer, by a tiny amount. And they don't save a lot of weight to begin with.

Not worth the cost, other than if you like the look. Also a lot more trouble to fit up if you care where the flutes time up. And for a buttoned barrel you've got the potential for internal distortion.
  
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Reply #16 - Mar 12th, 2022 at 1:04pm
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Like wesg, did a little study of weight and stiffness of octagon vs. round and fluted vs. round barrels.
Baseline dimensions were arbitrary to compare equal weights and equal diameters in the attached PDF.
Came to the same conclusions as wesg.
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Reply #17 - Mar 12th, 2022 at 2:41pm
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One of the, at least perceived, advantages of fluting a barrel, is to increase cooling surface. Depending on the number, shape and depth of flutes, the increase can be substantial. With the advent of cooling devices, even this use is diminshed. considering the disadvantages of machining either flutes or octagon it would
seem to be best to stick with a round barrel, although some procedures can minimize the problems associated. As has been said many times, the choice is up to the user, both visually, and from a practical viewpoint.
  

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Re: Barrel fluting
Reply #18 - Mar 12th, 2022 at 2:45pm
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oneatatime wrote on Mar 7th, 2022 at 11:17am:
I had a nice German schuetzen "Martini" with scalloped octagon barrel and silver inlays at one time and I have seen others, so while they may not have been a thing in this country they definitely were over there. I may have a pic.

Don’t believe I have ever seen a forend wedge that close to the action.
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Reply #19 - Mar 12th, 2022 at 3:37pm
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You're so right. I never considered that when I had it maybe  because the forend was a replacement. And why would someone go to the trouble to add a new slotted stud that close? If the old slot was gone, why not just use a screw? We'll never know.
  
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Reply #20 - Mar 12th, 2022 at 4:55pm
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I did a bunch of math a year or 2 ago trying to find a solution to, for, and about, barrel fluting. The long and short of it, you gain less than 2 or 3 square inches of surface area on a 30” round barrel with 24” flutes. I think i used a straight taper, 1.2” at the breech and 7/8” at the muzzle for my calculations. A couple square inches aren’t enough to do a thing for cooling. For stiffness, the same applies. There is so little actual change as to be a moot point. What I mostly gained from blowing off a couple hours was this- you either like the look and flute your barrel, or you don’t like them, and leave your barrel alone. The gunwriters have parroted the same things for so long folks take it as gospel, but you can’t argue with the math.
  
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Reply #21 - Mar 12th, 2022 at 9:05pm
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cellargun   As I stated, depending on the depth, length, and number of flutes, the increase in square inches of additional cooling can be substantial. For simplicity sake, a flute 1/8 inch deep, and 24 inches long will add 6 square inches of cooling surface per flute. a significant increase in my mind. I would agree that from an aesthetic viewpoint, they leave a lot to be desired on an antique single shot rifle, but again, all in the eye of the beholder. On a hot summer day in the varmint fields with a high velocity rifle in the heat of battle as it were, they might help to keep the barrel a little cooler. The simple solution is to set that rifle aside with one of the battery operated barrel fans now available. I, for one would love to see what GT on this forum might come up to improve the concept.
  

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Reply #22 - Mar 13th, 2022 at 2:46pm
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I had this friend named Dan Lilja, made barrels up in Montana.  He was educated as an engineer.  He liked fluting.  His theory was threefold:

1.  Increased cooling surface, and better heat dissipation.

2.  Fatter barrel for any given weight in a weight restricted class.

3.  increased rigidity.

Rich

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Reply #23 - Mar 13th, 2022 at 3:21pm
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4. Value added ...

Wink

Seriously though, the hottest part of the barrel is the breech end, and at least half of the flutes there are buried in the forearm. And I doubt there's any appreciable airflow through the ones at the top. At least from natural convection. Head or tail wind would help.

Radiation is a factor as well, but at this sort of temperature range I think it rounds down to roughly zero.

Installation ... I've done 2, and nailed them both on the first try. That with the flutes buried in the spindle completely out of sight. Took some planning and pre-prep work. And now that that's said, if I do another it will probably take 3 tries. Will probably just say no ...
  
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Reply #24 - Mar 13th, 2022 at 4:16pm
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Barrel fluting looks nice. Barrel fluting is good.
  

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Reply #25 - Mar 13th, 2022 at 8:18pm
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The German'ish style, with raised ribs at the corners, is absolutely gorgeous. I've seen a couple that ... not sure how I kept my wallet in my pocket. Maybe just that I knew there wasn't enough in it.

A round barrel with grooves in it ... meh. I'd rather have a half octagon with a wedding ring. Even on a bolt gun Wink
  
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Reply #26 - Mar 13th, 2022 at 9:05pm
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Bill Flints fluted barrel at Tommy's.
  

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Reply #27 - Mar 14th, 2022 at 10:20am
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The Germans had many styles of fluted barrels and this is one of the top designs. They were found on highly finished rifles, the finer the rifle the fancier the flute style. I show several of these styles in my German Schuetzen books Alte Scheibenwaffen.
  
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Re: Barrel fluting
Reply #28 - Mar 14th, 2022 at 11:47am
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TRowe wrote on Mar 14th, 2022 at 10:20am:
The Germans had many styles of fluted barrels and this is one of the top designs. They were found on highly finished rifles, the finer the rifle the fancier the flute style. I show several of these styles in my German Schuetzen books Alte Scheibenwaffen.
I have all 3 volumes.
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Reply #29 - Mar 14th, 2022 at 12:29pm
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Good man! Check out the patterns I show in the book. The first photo is used only on the top grade rifles such as  some of those made by Stiegele.
  
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