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TRowe Full Member Offline Posts: 173 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2017	Whitworth Match Rifle Feb 28^th, 2022 at 10:17am	Print Post
	This is an experimental Whitworth in .50 caliber, normally they are .451. It has extra quality engraving but has seen many years of handling. It undoubtedly was originally cased with accessories. Am working, a bit, on another book: Whitworth's Firearms. Have a long way to go on it. Looking for information, serial numbers of existing rifles etc.


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Crown-C Senior Forum Member Online Posts: 487 Location: St. Marys Kansas Joined: Apr 6^th, 2009	Re: Whitworth Match Rifle Reply #1 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 10:27am	Print Post
	Graceful looking old percussion rifle! Can’t help you out, but wish I had one!

	Richard Crown-C Ranch in the Flinthills NRA Life Member ASSRA Member # 10366 Member & Founders Society, Cody Firearms Museum Veteran
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Bent_Ramrod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1451 Location: Southern Arizona Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Re: Whitworth Match Rifle Reply #2 - Mar 1^st, 2022 at 8:07am	Print Post
	There is a Whitworth enthusiasts’ group on Facebook. They of course cover the more modern copies and the management of same, but there are a lot of original antiques pictured and covered as well. You might ask around there for details on the ones pictured.


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TRowe Full Member Offline Posts: 173 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2017	Re: Whitworth Match Rifle Reply #3 - Mar 1^st, 2022 at 9:46am	Print Post
	Thanks, just joined. I know the moderator and he sends me stuff on occasion.


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Grand slam Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 337 Location: Mountains of E. Tennessee Joined: Jun 7^th, 2015	Re: Whitworth Match Rifle Reply #4 - Mar 2^nd, 2022 at 9:00am	Print Post
	Very lovely rifle especially the graceful lines around the lock area. Thanks for sharing Cheers Richard


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CharleHunter Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 361 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2019	Re: Whitworth Match Rifle Reply #5 - Mar 3^rd, 2022 at 5:57am	Print Post
	Here is mine. Mr. Rowe, I still owe you some decent pictures of this rifle. As they say out here in the Antipodes, I have "piss poor" photographic skills. I do have some time off work coming up shortly and will do my best to get some to you. Cheers


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TRowe Full Member Offline Posts: 173 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2017	Re: Whitworth Match Rifle Reply #6 - Mar 3^rd, 2022 at 9:17am	Print Post
	Charlie call me anytime and I might be able to tell you some tricks I use for photos. That is a killer rifle and would love to have good photos. I am stalled on the Whitworth book as I have been working on Stevens Pope, which is almost done. My phone is 276 783 8037. Tom


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rodneys Oldtimer Offline Posts: 671 Location: Central Oklahoma Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2015	Re: Whitworth Match Rifle Reply #7 - Mar 3^rd, 2022 at 6:06pm	Print Post
	That is a full-blown match rifle! VERY NICE !


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Spud Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 494 Location: Australia Oz Joined: Feb 24^th, 2005	Re: Whitworth Match Rifle Reply #8 - Mar 3^rd, 2022 at 9:10pm	Print Post
	I don't want to hijack this great thread but could I add that Whitworth ML rifles are great fun to shoot, I used to have a Parkerhale copy and use it out to 1,000 yds. Those hexgonal bullets make a really distinctive noise as they head down range. I had a hex mould custom made in the UK, a real work of art but have always wondered how they did it. I wonder if some of the talented machinists here could tell me how a hexagonal mould is cut? Thanks. Spud


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Bent_Ramrod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1451 Location: Southern Arizona Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Re: Whitworth Match Rifle Reply #9 - Mar 4^th, 2022 at 7:44am	Print Post
	KAL Tool and Die up in Canada is gearing up to make hexagonal moulds for Whitworths. The owner, Red River Rick, is a moderator on the Cast Boolits Forum. You might PM him on there and ask him how he does it. I found a couple of little steel blocks, each with half of the twisted hexagon cut into them. Apparently somebody had a system where they cast a smooth slug and swaged the hexagonal flutes into it afterwards with the blocks in a press. Sounds like a lot of work for a little bit of shooting.


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TRowe Full Member Offline Posts: 173 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2017	Re: Whitworth Match Rifle Reply #10 - Mar 4^th, 2022 at 11:25am	Print Post
	An interesting point on the Hex bullets. Early Whitworth supplied molds cast a hex bullet but the ones that they supplied later cast a cylindrical one. Whitworth also supplied Hex bullets to their customers, but also supplied cylindrical ones. Whitworth commented in one of his papers that the reason he went to mechanical fitted bullets was that the powder the government supplied for his tests was so poor that it wouldn't upset a round bullet enough to get it to take the rifling.


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Gibbs Participating Member Offline Posts: 15 Joined: Apr 5^th, 2019	Re: Whitworth Match Rifle Reply #11 - Mar 5^th, 2022 at 5:46am	Print Post
	In the past I made a few hundred Whitworth moulds. I made these with Edm sparking.You need make a bullet in copper and smaller in diameter. With this copper bullet you make the shape in the mould. Works perfect but you need the machinery.
	« Last Edit: Mar 5^th, 2022 at 6:17am by Gibbs »

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Gibbs Participating Member Offline Posts: 15 Joined: Apr 5^th, 2019	Re: Whitworth Match Rifle Reply #12 - Mar 5^th, 2022 at 5:47am	Print Post
	Bullet in copper


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rodneys Oldtimer Offline Posts: 671 Location: Central Oklahoma Joined: Mar 2^nd, 2015	Re: Whitworth Match Rifle Reply #13 - Mar 5^th, 2022 at 10:42am	Print Post
	I had seen one of your bullet molds before quite a nice piece of work. And thank you for sharing the pictures. I had worked in a mold shop that had a sinker machine. They use graphite for the electrodes for the work that we were doing. We used diamond coated carbide end mills to cut the graphite as it is very abrasive.


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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2224 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: Whitworth Match Rifle Reply #14 - Mar 5^th, 2022 at 10:50am	Print Post
	Wow! and we think making an ordinary cherry is tough. Very nice work. Chuck


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