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H&R Trapdoors
Feb 24th, 2022 at 5:21pm
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I see rifles for sale that are  Harrington & Richardson 1873 Trapdoor .45-70s. Some are called officers models and some cavalry models. I see ones says 1871 -1971 100 Yr. Commemorative of this model. Are these good shooters? They are mostly running in the $1200 to $1500 range. I am assuming that you’d want to stick to lower power loads.
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 24th, 2022 at 5:49pm
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I have a couple H&R trap door’s; one carbine and one officer’s model.  I’ve also owned a couple of the full length rifles. For me, they are very nice firearms.  There has been reports of issues with the breech latch that, if a set screw comes loose, the action can flip open.  None of the ones I have owned experienced this problem.  I do inspect the set screw to confirm it’s secure, but never had one come loose.  I shoot with several individuals that have also never had problems.
All the ones I have or have had were well made and nicely finished.
I can’t see barrel mounted sights, hence, I have retreated to shooting an officer’s model.  This has a stock mounted peep sight.  One can send the base to Lee Shaver and he will fit one of his economy Soule sights which is a significant upgrade.
For loads, I use recipes for original trap doors.  I found a 345 gr slug from an Accurate Mold with a mild powder charge works great out to 100yds with light recoil.
I haven’t “scoped” the market recently, but it seems decent ones can be had for $1,000-$1,200.   
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Reply #2 - Feb 24th, 2022 at 8:50pm
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I had one of the H&R Officer's models. It was a great looking rifle and an excellent shooter. Mine had the "auto eject" problem with the latch. Upon firing, the trapdoor would fly open and the empty case would come flying out. H&R took some shortcuts and did not copy the original latch design. If and when the set screw comes loose, the action will open on firing. It can obviously be fixed. Unfortunately, original parts do NOT interchange. 
Mine was a great rifle and I was very happy with it, but be aware of the problem with the latch. 
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Reply #3 - Feb 28th, 2022 at 11:25pm
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I sold a couple of them over the years, as well as a very nice
Pedersoli Officers Model.
Have stuck with my 1884 Original for shooting. It does very well if I do my part.
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Reply #4 - Mar 1st, 2022 at 11:26pm
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One advantage to shooting original trapdoors is that with a few exceptions, parts are interchangeable and plentiful. Exceptions that come to mind are : 1) stocks, need the wide stock for SN over 100,000,2) sears: the three position tumbler and the two position tumbler require different sears, 3) Cadet models: stocks and buttplates vary considerably

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Reply #5 - Mar 3rd, 2022 at 12:11am
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I had one of the pop open specials. I wouldn't buy another one.
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 4th, 2022 at 3:14pm
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If you put loctite on the set screw would that work to solve the problem of the action opening upon firing?
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 4th, 2022 at 4:19pm
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Sure shot wrote on Mar 4th, 2022 at 3:14pm:
If you put loctite on the set screw would that work to solve the problem of the action opening upon firing?


Yes, that has ben one of the solutions to preventing the locking mechanism from coming loose. I just check them periodically for tightness, but never found one loose.
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Reply #8 - Mar 4th, 2022 at 7:51pm
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The H&R reproduction of the trapdoor used a redesigned cam locking mechanism. Instead of a cam integral with the lever shaft, they secured a separate cam, to the shaft, by a set screw. If the set screw becomes loose, it may lead to the cam not being fully engaged, which in turn can cause the auto eject problem.
Loctite will secure the set screw and keep it from coming loose but since it is pressing on a round shaft, even slight wear, can cause the cam to slip and prevent full cam lockup.
Pedersoli solved this problem on their trapdoor by creating a square hole in the cam, which fits over a square area on the shaft. Their set screw simply allows the shaft to move in and out. Pedersoli does list their locking mechanism as a replacement part but I don't know if it will fit the H&R action without modification.
In addition to checking that the cam set screw is tight on the H&R trapdoor, a flat milled on the round shaft, at the set screw location, has been recommended to allow the set screw to more securely hold the shaft and decrease the chance of the cam changing position.
I recently acquired an H&R trapdoor and on examination found that someone had added a long set screw and drilled a hole in the shaft to accept the end of the set screw. This should keep the cam in position, although it is possible that the small set screw could shear and need to be replaced.
So it's good advice to check the set screw, if you are shooting a H&R trapdoor.
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