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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 710 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #15 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 5:03pm	Print Post
	kootne wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 11:20am: I've never owned a Winder but have heard the ones chambered in .22 short often will shoot quite well with .22LR... Define "quite well". Minute of jack rabbit at 25 yards, perhaps. But given that 22 short barrels are in turn in 20 inches and LR is 1 in 16, there is little chance minute of jack extends beyond 25 yards. I've shot more than a few 1:20 barrelled rifles that had been rechambered to LR. None of them shot even marginally well, which is to say under 3 MOA at 50 yards. Now to the original question. If the bore looks like the dark side of the moon, reline it and chamber it for 22LR. A few purists will get their nickers in a twist, but most guys would rather have a gun they can shoot than one with a shot out bore. If the bore is nice and shiny, shoot shorts. And if the bore is shot out and the rest of the gun is minty, leave it alone. YMMV


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1314 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #16 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 9:07pm	Print Post
	Amen, Brother Smoke! Bill Lawrence


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ballardhepburnmich ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 598 Location: Scotts,mi. Joined: May 20^th, 2015	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #17 - Feb 27^th, 2022 at 12:35am	Print Post
	My two Winders with 22 short barrels and 22lr chambers shoot right alongside my Win. 52s. Lee Gibbs Pres.ASSRA


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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 710 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #18 - Feb 27^th, 2022 at 1:36pm	Print Post
	Shooting 22LR or 22 short ammo? And at what range? (not trying to be annoying, simply curious)


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ballardhepburnmich ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 598 Location: Scotts,mi. Joined: May 20^th, 2015	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #19 - Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:51am	Print Post
	With. 22lr ammo. Out to 200yds, I have never tried any farther than that. Lee Gibbs Pres.ASSRA


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2845 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #20 - Mar 1^st, 2022 at 7:56pm	Print Post
	ballardhepburnmich wrote on Feb 28^th, 2022 at 1:51am: With. 22lr ammo. Out to 200yds, I have never tried any farther than that. Lee Gibbs Pres.ASSRA Offhand, for sure. Off the bench, yep, especially if you get rid of the military stuff; barrel band & military fore-end and maybe put a bobsled on the barrel. The Winder wasn't competitive in 3- or 4-position smallbore matches because sling pressure changed point of impact. That's why Winchester made the 52.


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cellargun Participating Member Offline Posts: 38 Joined: Feb 28^th, 2022	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #21 - Mar 6^th, 2022 at 8:16pm	Print Post
	Correct me if I’m wrong- the 22LR is 1/16”, where I believe the 22 Short is 1/18” or 1/20”, as it shoots lighter bullets. Not sure if the slower twist would stabilize LR adequately. As for reclining not being accurate, done correctly with a quality liner, it will be the equal or superior to original. Granted, a high end modern barrel may be better, but those are 6-12 months away if you order one tomorrow.


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2845 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #22 - Mar 7^th, 2022 at 12:53pm	Print Post
	cellargun wrote on Mar 6^th, 2022 at 8:16pm: Correct me if I’m wrong- the 22LR is 1/16”, where I believe the 22 Short is 1/18” or 1/20”, as it shoots lighter bullets. Not sure if the slower twist would stabilize LR adequately. As for reclining not being accurate, done correctly with a quality liner, it will be the equal or superior to original. Granted, a high end modern barrel may be better, but those are 6-12 months away if you order one tomorrow. The Winders in .22 Short had a 1/20" twist and a chamber that will take Long Rifle cartridges. They do not shoot well with standard velocity Long Rifle loads, tried them in 3 different Winders. But with High Velocity loads, accuracy is probably good enough for jackrabbits at 100 yards. Rifles in .22 Short made by other manufacturers had 1/24" or 1/25" twists and "shorter" chambers. The only .22 rimfire with an 18" twist I've encountered is a Springfield Armory-made Model 1898 Krag Gallery Practice Rifle. Chambered for Extra Long, with a .226" groove diameter. It wouldn't shoot anything but CCI Stingers accurately. but was pretty impressive with them.


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colt45sa Junior Member Offline Posts: 57 Joined: Feb 5^th, 2021	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #23 - May 20^th, 2022 at 5:31pm	Print Post
	Better think clearly about just how much shooting you plan to do with the rifle. I've been buying .22 shorts for about 30 years now and I always buy some, shoot half, and stash the other half ( that's the survivalist in me). It's still out there and you can find tons of it at the local guns shows for about $10 to $13 a box/


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.22Hepburn Oldtimer Offline Posts: 803 Location: Pennsylvania Joined: Feb 18^th, 2008	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #24 - May 22^nd, 2022 at 9:57pm	Print Post
	You can buy CCI ammo direct from their website. When .22 ammo was hard to find in the last year, I ordered some Standard Velocity direct and they shipped in 2-3 days.


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ballardhepburnmich ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 598 Location: Scotts,mi. Joined: May 20^th, 2015	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #25 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 12:33am	Print Post
	I should probably clarify, I have the exceptional accuracy in my. 22 short barreled Winders using Winchester Super X .22lr's. Off the bench it will shoot point for point with my mod.52 and mod.75's with match ammo. Lee Gibbs Pres.ASSRA


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2845 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #26 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 12:29pm	Print Post
	ballardhepburnmich wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 12:33am: I should probably clarify, I have the exceptional accuracy in my. 22 short barreled Winders using Winchester Super X .22lr's. Off the bench it will shoot point for point with my mod.52 and mod.75's with match ammo. Lee Gibbs Pres.ASSRA If you go back to C.S. Landis writing about shooting .22s at 200 and 300 (!) yards, he reports the same results. SV stuff was being pushed about by the wind. Winchester Super X in a 1:20 twist barrel was less wind sensitive.


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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2238 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #27 - May 23^rd, 2022 at 10:26pm	Print Post
	Some of the guys in the club were talking about a 300 yd. prairie dog silhouette with .22's. This might be the medicine. Chuck


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2845 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #28 - May 24^th, 2022 at 12:11pm	Print Post
	Chuckster wrote on May 23^rd, 2022 at 10:26pm: Some of the guys in the club were talking about a 300 yd. prairie dog silhouette with .22's. This might be the medicine. Chuck Accurate shooting with a .22 at 300 yds is possible. I'll assume you are using a scope. I tried it with my Lyman STS but ran out of clicks just as the bell of the scope touched the barrel. Wound up aiming at an offset target. Using an external adjusted scope, high scope blocks might solve the problem.


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cpace Participating Member Offline Posts: 11 Joined: May 26^th, 2015	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #29 - May 26^th, 2022 at 3:48pm	Print Post
	I bought a Windner Musket in .22 short with a perfect lookin bore. Went to shoot it and it had been rechambered to .22 LR., It was not even close to be accurate at 25 yds. With shorts it was acceptable accurate but far from being a target rifle. Short 1 in 20 twist LR 1 in 16 twist Carney


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