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S99VG Oldtimer Offline Posts: 509 Location: CA Joined: Feb 1^st, 2020	To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 11:05am	Print Post
	Here's a question that was inspired by a recent post in the gunsmithing section on relining rifles chambered in 22 short to 22 long rifle. And because I do not want to co-opt the post I thought I would put it up here because it brings up questions concerning the preservation and "collecectability" of antique rifles. Recently I have been looking at Winchester Winder Muskets but have discovered that finding one chambered in 22 long rifle would be like finding the proverbial chicken lips or needle in the haystack. It appears to be very difficult and adding to the frustration is the fact that the 22 short appears to have gone the way of the 25 Stevens rimfire, obsolete. So my question is this. Would it be "blasphamy" to reline a Winder Musket to 22 long rifle? I totally understand leaving an antique alone but I too get the practicality of keeping a gun useful with available ammo. And, the conversion would not prevent the use of shorts but instead it woud be upgrading the musket to modern standards of shooting short, long and long rifle cartridges. Anyway, it thought it would be interesting reading what you guys have to think about this in the context of this forum. Thanks much.
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #1 - Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 11:16am	Print Post
	One also has the option to just re-barrel it and to save the original barrel that can also be re-installed in order to keep the rifle as being untouched. The accuracy of a new barrel should also be quite a better than a relined barrel. That is if a new barrel is carefully chosen for its proven match winning abilities and it also chambered for this type of use.

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kensmachine Oldtimer Offline Posts: 574 Joined: Nov 21^st, 2012	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #2 - Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 11:16am	Print Post
	You could find another barrel and line it but I would just line the one you have Ken


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kootne Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 441 Location: Libby, Mt. Joined: Mar 6^th, 2012	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #3 - Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 11:20am	Print Post
	I've never owned a Winder but have heard the ones chambered in .22 short often will shoot quite well with .22LR and most will actually chamber them. I'm sure someone with more expirience will chime in.

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S99VG Oldtimer Offline Posts: 509 Location: CA Joined: Feb 1^st, 2020	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #4 - Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 11:49am	Print Post
	Thanks guys, you've brought up points worth taking into consideration.


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yamoon Oldtimer Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 905 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #5 - Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 12:03pm	Print Post
	There is a lot of 22 short ammunition available. Why not just shoot CCI standard velocity or many of the high velocity rounds available? Perhaps the barrel condition is poor. Mike


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S99VG Oldtimer Offline Posts: 509 Location: CA Joined: Feb 1^st, 2020	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #6 - Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 12:39pm	Print Post
	yamoon wrote on Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 12:03pm: There is a lot of 22 short ammunition available. Why not just shoot CCI standard velocity or many of the high velocity rounds available? Perhaps the barrel condition is poor. Mike Maybe 22 shorts are suffering the same fate as a lot of other ammo these days and being hoarded. I really don't know if that is the problem here. However, it seems like HV ammo may fit these rifles and work just fine. Thanks
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slowshot Junior Member Offline Posts: 57 Location: Arkansas Hills Joined: May 7^th, 2021	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #7 - Feb 22^nd, 2022 at 9:57pm	Print Post
	if it were in nice shape with good bore I would re barrel it, save original. If a rough rifle un usable bore, probably reline. not a winder, but I have a colt lightning that I relined in 22 short. shell lift too short for 22 lr. it shoots fine. Dennis


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ballardhepburnmich ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 598 Location: Scotts,mi. Joined: May 20^th, 2015	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #8 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 12:52am	Print Post
	If you want to refine go ahead,but I would rechamber to. 22lr and try it first, you'll be surprised. Lee Gibbs Pres.ASSRA


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George Babits Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1106 Joined: Sep 27^th, 2012	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #9 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 9:30am	Print Post
	I'd say the bottom line would be, "do you want to shoot it, or do you want to collect it." For me, if I wanted one, it would be for shooting first and foremost; but that's me, more of a shooter than a collector. George


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S99VG Oldtimer Offline Posts: 509 Location: CA Joined: Feb 1^st, 2020	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #10 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 10:29am	Print Post
	ballardhepburnmich wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 12:52am: If you want to refine go ahead,but I would rechamber to. 22lr and try it first, you'll be surprised. Lee Gibbs Pres.ASSRA Makes good sense. Thanks


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S99VG Oldtimer Offline Posts: 509 Location: CA Joined: Feb 1^st, 2020	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #11 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 10:30am	Print Post
	George Babits wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 9:30am: I'd say the bottom line would be, "do you want to shoot it, or do you want to collect it." For me, if I wanted one, it would be for shooting first and foremost; but that's me, more of a shooter than a collector. George Also makes good sense. Thanks


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2845 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #12 - Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 10:06pm	Print Post
	ballardhepburnmich wrote on Feb 23^rd, 2022 at 12:52am: If you want to refine go ahead,but I would rechamber to. 22lr and try it first, you'll be surprised. Lee Gibbs Pres.ASSRA If it's a 3rd Model Winder (ground down high wall action), just try chambering a Long Rifle cartridge. Probably no need to rechamber. I have one 2nd Model barrel in Short that will chamber a Long Rifle. I think that's how they came from the factory.


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slumlord44 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2850 Location: Lebanon, Illinois 62254 Joined: Dec 21^st, 2007	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #13 - Feb 24^th, 2022 at 12:03am	Print Post
	Shorts are available. My Winder will chamber long rifles. I would not reline a good original barrel.


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craigd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2050 Location: midwest Joined: Feb 22^nd, 2009	Re: To Reline or Not Reline an Antique 22? Reply #14 - Feb 26^th, 2022 at 12:18pm	Print Post
	I'd agree about availability of shorts, CCI might have just ran a batch. It's on the shelves now.


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