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Feb 22nd, 2022 at 6:01am
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Are there any preferences between .32-40 or .38-55?  Thanks, Ed
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 22nd, 2022 at 9:30am
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In the old days, the .38-55 was technically the more accurate caliber, and many early benchrest matches were won with it.  The .32-40 was more wind-sensitive and critical in loading, hence less technically accurate, but the reduced recoil made for less fatigue and better scores in offhand shooting.

Nowadays, the more precise machining of barrels and moulds, and the use of smokeless powder means that variables that used to need more weight and diameter to reduce effect aren’t there so much any more.  A good .32-40, with a good shot, probably wouldn’t be giving anything up but recoil and expense.  Now it’s the .28-30 and .25-20 that are slowly closing in, with even less recoil fatigue, if you can load them right.
  
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Reply #2 - Feb 22nd, 2022 at 10:10am
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If shooting Benchrest the 38-55's recoil will wear on you quite abit. 
The 32-40 on the other hand is quite abit more pleasant to shoot off the bench. 
Another good choice is the 33-47 and it is also more pleasant to shoot than the 38-55 and less finicky to get to shoot than the 32-40 and extremely accurate.
  

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Reply #3 - Feb 22nd, 2022 at 10:46am
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By Schuetzen, whether you are asking about a cast bullet rifle to shoot offhand or bench rest, the answer is the .32-40. You can't go wrong with that caliber. While the .38-55 is inherently an accurate cartridge, nearly all the current accuracy records are held by .32 caliber rifle shooters. The .32-40 also recoils less and that is no small matter, especially if you intend to shoot in matches.
J Louis' statement about the .33-47 has merit but due to it's not being main-stream (in the Schuetzen world) may be a little too much to deal with for a first rifle.
If you plan to shoot fixed ammunition or breech seat are matters of concern but can be dealt with once you make a rifle choice.
Good luck on making your rifle choice and welcome to Schuetzen.
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Reply #4 - Feb 22nd, 2022 at 11:06am
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All of the above are very valid points, untill you are shooting in a match situation requiring black powder only. Then the .38/55 is a lot easier to develope a competitive load.
  

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Reply #5 - Feb 22nd, 2022 at 11:31am
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I would also not count out the 25's these days as one would also have a rifle for the 25 Caliber matches as well. I have been shooting a 25-35 and it hasn't taken a back seat to any of the various 32's. Also extremely easy to get to shoot and also allot more pleasant / fun to shoot off of the bench. I have also chambered the same for others in our group. Below are just a couple of 200 yard targets being shot and also have quite a few more of the same I can share. Barrels are 10 twist and the bullet being used is the Mos 120 grain Spitzer. These two were shot by a couple of the folks in our group and the first one from a new shooter to the Schuetzen sport. And this is still only his first year of Schuetzen competitive benchrest shooting. The increased velocity of the 25-35 over the 32-40 makes the wind drift very similar to being the same as the 32-40. 

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Reply #6 - Feb 22nd, 2022 at 12:15pm
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that is some fine shooting,  trying to get there myself.
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Reply #7 - Feb 22nd, 2022 at 12:28pm
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That second target was shot by Jack Hughes on this site. I have chambered four for friends, Jerry Hartwig one and I just sold my 25-35 chambering reamer to Jerry Cleave who is going to build one for himself. Below is a picture of my practice 200 yard Iron / Tube Sight target that I shot. 


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Reply #8 - Feb 22nd, 2022 at 7:16pm
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My plan is to attend a match or two, in order to see what type of equipment is most popular, and why.
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 22nd, 2022 at 8:18pm
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Where are matches held here in PNW?
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 22nd, 2022 at 9:11pm
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An invaluable investment at this point inbthe game for you would be a copy of RSW's book Loading and Shooting Traditional American Schuetzen Rifles.  Pm him on the forum for details on getting a copy. 
  

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Reply #11 - Feb 22nd, 2022 at 9:34pm
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Go to a local match and most will go out of their way to help you out.
The exception being those who always want to finish at the top. 
And those unfortunately are not what I think the Sport is all about but it is about bringing everyone to a higher level of competition.
  

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Reply #12 - Feb 22nd, 2022 at 11:29pm
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Pure schuetzen matchs in western Washington are drying up due to a lack of participation.  Currently there is a spring and fall match in Tacoma.  These are two-day affairs following ASSRA rules.  Contact Schuetzenmeister on this board to get on the mailing list.  There are CBA matches in Vancouver, Puyallup, and Kenmore I believe where you can shoot like you would using falling block single shots breech seating the bullets.  The targets are different and the relays are short making it a challenge.

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Reply #13 - Feb 23rd, 2022 at 1:16am
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Mr Wright's various books are very informative, extremely well written and have a lot of data as well. While I do not have a rifle for the Schuetzen game I enjoy reading them and have done so multiple times. I do shoot cast bullets in some of my mil surp rifles though. Frank
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 23rd, 2022 at 11:41am
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Is the 25-35 discussed above a 25-35 winchester cartridge?
  

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