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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1631 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Compound Lever type breech seater what vintage? Feb 20^th, 2022 at 9:09pm	Print Post
	I've seen simple push and "hook and push" type on older guns. Were there Weber or Rice style back in Schuetzen era?


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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Compound Lever type breech seater what vintage? Reply #1 - Feb 21^st, 2022 at 12:29am	Print Post
	I would say no. 15 minutes after the first one appeared every company would have one out, unless a patent number was marked clearly. The old "Monkey see Monkey do..." thing. Rich


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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1631 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: Compound Lever type breech seater what vintage? Reply #2 - Feb 21^st, 2022 at 11:13am	Print Post
	It's strange that there were not because there were quite a few lever type seaters for the muzzle loading schuetzen rifles.


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830singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 483 Location: Texas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: Compound Lever type breech seater what vintage? Reply #3 - Feb 21^st, 2022 at 11:23am	Print Post
	30 years ago I used to see quite a few Ballard's and High Walls with a stud on the receiver, left side of the chamber for a breach seater to hook on to. The only one I have seen done like that is on my Cody Ballard that I bought from Steve Seibolt except it's mounted on the barrel. Quite elegant

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RSW Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1297 Location: Arizona Joined: Sep 8^th, 2006	Re: Compound Lever type breech seater what vintage? Reply #4 - Feb 21^st, 2022 at 12:12pm	Print Post
	Cbashooter I think you hit the nail on the head with your comment: "It's strange that there were not because there were quite a few lever type seaters for the muzzle loading schuetzen rifles." In that era, the serious and top tier shooters shot muzzle loaders (be they percussion or cartridge rifles). Pope, Schoyen, et al. made a living making breech-muzzle loading rifles for the Schuetzen game. Until smokeless powders displaced black and duplex loads, breech seating larger than groove diameter bullets (as many of us do today) was not a main stream loading method.

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1631 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: Compound Lever type breech seater what vintage? Reply #5 - Feb 21^st, 2022 at 12:56pm	Print Post
	RSW- Thanks I hadn't thought about that on the groove diameter bullets.
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Compound Lever type breech seater what vintage? Reply #6 - Feb 21^st, 2022 at 1:47pm	Print Post
	Schoyen did use the stud approach on his breech seaters. Below is a version of my own based on Schoyen's design but also improved on. I have also made several using a Colt Loading lever for friends. Based on Schoyen's so I do tend to believe at least his were being used at the time. Also those I made had interchangeable seater cases so the same seater could be used on several rifles and for various cartridges. One of the rifles that I made one for and a Ballard did have a stud installed on the barrel but I am also not sure it was actually a vintage installation. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Compound Lever type breech seater what vintage? Reply #7 - Feb 21^st, 2022 at 2:11pm	Print Post
	830singleshot there is a picture of a Schoyen stud mounted breech seater in one of the past ASSRA Singleshot Rifle Journals.

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