How scarce are these rifles? I one I'm looking at is 25 caliber built on a 44 frame. It has the Vernier sight, buckhorn in the middle and a blade front sight. This is the first one I've ever seen and I'm wondering what a fair price would be for one in 85% condition?

No beech front sight and faded (almost gone) case colors. 28 inch barrel in unknown 25 caliber bright and shiny maybe a #3 it seemed bigger than the #2 on my other 44. I couldn't see any shoulder in the chamber so maybe 25-21? It didn't appear deep enough for 25-25. 25-20SS maybe, the shoulder it pretty small. Swiss butt plate. I wish I had more time to look it over but the local auction house was closing when I got there. Thanks for your confirming price

Yes, the barrel is on the heavy side but just out of the action picture it is marked 25-20.

Did you buy this, or still to be auctioned?

Probably won’t be able to check this before the auction.

It may be marked under the fore end, and even there it might be just the caliber. As in 25 vs 25-20. The actual cartridge may be marked on the extractor, but you will need to pull it out to see that.

I have seen a few like that, they were early rifles with a 7 o’clock extractor.

A serial number would be interesting.

I notice that the buttstock misses meeting the frame by a noticeable amount, an unusual condition if the frame and stock started out together from the factory.

Bill Lawrence

Bill, at some time in its past, Harold Parkenfarker decided it needed to have the stock glass bedded and who needs stinkin instructions. Maybe he did it in stages or just didn't tighten the screws, but it ended up with the stock at a little upward angle. Since I believe glass bedding became popular in the 1960s, maybe it was then. In spite of the way it turned out, it did not adversely affect the shooting;-)

Are we still talking about a 44? 
Or our we now also talking about a 44 1/2?