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Northsaw Newbie Offline Posts: 4 Joined: Jan 1^st, 2022	Can anyone help identify this rifle? Jan 8^th, 2022 at 3:34pm	Print Post
	Hello All. New member here. First post. I recently picked up this rifle and don't know much about it other than it's a falling block of European origin and I believe chambered in 8.15x46R. I would like to know who might have made it if that is possible. I can tell the wood has been redone and someone added a Ruger scope base. I have made up a few rounds from 30-30 brass and slugged the barrel at .316. Any suggestions?
	« Last Edit: Jan 8^th, 2022 at 3:44pm by Northsaw »

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4465 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #1 - Jan 8^th, 2022 at 4:03pm	Print Post
	Who cares who made it, it's gorgeous! If you post the pic of the barrel marks over on the DoubleGun site you might get some good leads. German & Austrian Sporting Guns @ doublegunshop.com


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JKR Full Member Offline Posts: 152 Joined: Nov 2^nd, 2021	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #2 - Jan 8^th, 2022 at 4:35pm	Print Post
	Yup! That a mighty purty little rifle! I like your bench too! JKR


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oughtsix Global Moderator ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1361 Location: Columbus Joined: May 31^st, 2009	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #3 - Jan 8^th, 2022 at 5:08pm	Print Post
	If the scope base comes off, there may be a maker's name underneath. Looks like a fine Stalking rifle and the numbers under the barrel tell a story, unfortunately, I don't know what they mean

	Life Member ASSRA, OGCA & TSGC I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters........ Frank Lloyd Wright
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Jeff_Schultz ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1659 Location: Ransomville, NY Joined: Apr 25^th, 2004	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #4 - Jan 8^th, 2022 at 5:08pm	Print Post
	Nice gun and a nice bench too!

	"We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo “There is no situation so bad that it cannot be made worse." Confidence- The feeling you get before you fully understand the situation.
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #5 - Jan 8^th, 2022 at 5:21pm	Print Post
	The rifle is very nice indeed! Hopefully you can get it up and shooting and then being able to fully enjoy it for what it was actually made for.

	" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
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Northsaw Newbie Offline Posts: 4 Joined: Jan 1^st, 2022	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #6 - Jan 8^th, 2022 at 5:26pm	Print Post
	I guess it's from one of many individual makers from the past. Nothing under the scope base. The bench is a Hammacher and Schlemmer. I think they sold them through Montgomery Ward in the 20's or 30's.


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Jeff_Schultz ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1659 Location: Ransomville, NY Joined: Apr 25^th, 2004	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #7 - Jan 8^th, 2022 at 7:04pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the info on the bench! Mine looks identical right down to the patina! It would however take about two days to clear it off for a picture.

	"We have met the enemy and he is us." Pogo “There is no situation so bad that it cannot be made worse." Confidence- The feeling you get before you fully understand the situation.
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Northsaw Newbie Offline Posts: 4 Joined: Jan 1^st, 2022	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #8 - Jan 8^th, 2022 at 7:22pm	Print Post
	They do make for a good photography backdrop. That's a very nice rifle you have there.


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yamoon Frequent Elocutionist Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 1006 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #9 - Jan 8^th, 2022 at 8:58pm	Print Post
	I have one not near as pretty. They are often called System Nimrod. I will try to attach a link to my earlier post about it on German Gun Collector’s Association forum. Mike


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yamoon Frequent Elocutionist Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 1006 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #10 - Jan 8^th, 2022 at 9:07pm	Print Post
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yamoon Frequent Elocutionist Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 1006 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #11 - Jan 8^th, 2022 at 9:15pm	Print Post
	Proofed November 1910, number 909 in the proof house ledger, the 172,28 is the bore in gauge. Standard BUG proof marks. If it has not been rechambered it is probably 8.15x46r. Any cast bullet load for 32-40 should be safe. It will like 160 to 180gr round nose lead bullets. If there is a name on the barrel, it will most likely be the retailer, it would be assembled by several craftsmen, there were only a few large firms at that time selling complete rifles. The German gun making fraternity at that time was almost a cottage industry. Mike
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Northsaw Newbie Offline Posts: 4 Joined: Jan 1^st, 2022	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #12 - Jan 9^th, 2022 at 3:04pm	Print Post
	Thank you. At least I know when it was made. I have some stop ring bullets from Buffalo Arms. They are 165 gr round nose at .316 with a stop ring at .328 which I thought sounded large but I know little about SR type bullets.


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yamoon Frequent Elocutionist Offline NRA Life, ASSRA , GGCA, MCA Posts: 1006 Location: Junction City Kansas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2012	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #13 - Jan 9^th, 2022 at 8:32pm	Print Post
	That is about normal for the stop ring. I shoot stop ring cast about172 gr from an NEI mold in my schuetzen rifles. I shoot fixed ammo in my stalking rifles. Mike
	« Last Edit: Jan 9^th, 2022 at 8:38pm by yamoon »

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CharleHunter Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 371 Joined: Feb 8^th, 2019	Re: Can anyone help identify this rifle? Reply #14 - Jan 14^th, 2022 at 1:53am	Print Post
	Interestingly enough the original swaged projectiles I have (2 different makes and shapes) for the 8.15 have a base diameter of .321. The NEI mould I use is .316. I feel that performance may improve with a little more neck tension and have been playing with straight line busing dies. So far does not seem to make any difference. oh, Black Powder by the way haven't yet got to trying smokeless.


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