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Reply #15 - Dec 22nd, 2021 at 12:21pm
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Another problem is that young society doesn't venerate the wisdom of wise old guys, until they become wise old guys themselves!
  
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Reply #16 - Dec 22nd, 2021 at 1:44pm
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I didn't get into single shots until my early 30's. Even back then some of my friends thought it was an odd choice to want to own and shoot an 1800's single shot rifle. So you're right about it being something older, wiser men get into. But once I started, I found some guys who got wiser way earlier than me! Some had been into them since their youth, but usually because their fathers were into them, and they were raised to appreciate them sooner.
  

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Reply #17 - Dec 22nd, 2021 at 2:07pm
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Maybe release a super hero movie, where the gender questionable star saves the world using great grandpas wall hanger. using home made powder and bullets made from melted down nose rings and ear gauges.

Then market all the action figures along with the video game before the movie comes out.

Honestly, and I’ve said this before here, the problem isn’t so much what you’re trying to sell, as it is the people trying to sell it.   

I read this forum for a number of years before joining to participate. Participated here for another few years before going to my first shoot.

I’m only 60, but have been loading and shooting antiques and single shots for more than 50 years. First rifle that was truly mine, I still own and shoot, 25 RF Favorite. So participating was never a matter of lack of interest, materials or space.

The problem is the so called ambassadors and keepers of the knowledge on this forum. There are a number of people who won’t take part here because of the bickering that goes on. If you don’t want to be around them online, you won’t want to be in the same county in person.

I would have never gone to a shoot if someone here had not assured me that no one that shoots there, posts here. 

Never mind that schedules, rules and requirements are hard to find.

It’s an interesting dynamic to watch unfold. 

Yes I’m an ASSRA member and have been for a few years. I’m here to learn history, tips on shooting, collecting, and comradeship. Like they say, 3 of 4 ain’t bad.

Lots of good people here. It’s a shame a few really do get in the way, or drive away people when at the same time are espousing the death of the niche little corner of the shooting world they occupy.

Social media like this is often more about finding like minded people you want to be around. I’m not sure this forum in present form is a shining example of that.

Just one man’s opinion.

By the way, I have very thick skin and flame retardant underwear, have at it if you feel the need. Angry
  
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Reply #18 - Dec 22nd, 2021 at 3:38pm
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Dellet wrote on Dec 22nd, 2021 at 2:07pm:


Honestly, and I’ve said this before here, the problem isn’t so much what you’re trying to sell, as it is the people trying to sell it.  




That’s exactly it.  Embarrassed
  
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Reply #19 - Dec 22nd, 2021 at 4:10pm
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It is just not easy to get into this sport no matter how one might look at it. 
I got my CDL at 18 and drove truck most of my life and I also had to do did damn near seven days a week.
I had a family to raise and I couldn't get into it until I stopped and took another path in life. 
I was about 45 or 48 when I finally chose another path so I could finally pursue my love for competitive Schuetzen shooting.
  

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Reply #20 - Dec 22nd, 2021 at 4:11pm
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The promise of sex or money gets the young  people moving and without it you’re SOL. Best then and the only then that moved this world was Coors and their sponsorship of the single shots. My opinion is we need another similar type enterprise willing to stick their neck out in this totally antigun UnAmerican corporate America we inhabit.
  
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Reply #21 - Dec 22nd, 2021 at 5:57pm
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In many ways I see most of the people who got into schuetzen was that they were target shooters AND hobbyists that saw it as an avenue for their creativity in tinkering (breach seaters, re-decappers, barrels, actions, etc.). Almost everyone I knew in Blackwolf fell into that category. Others were in it following ancestral history. 

Well, that is not what drives the Millenials. Show me one that lusts for a Bridgeport or Hardinge. I know of only one 30ish in our whole gun club (900 members of which only a half dozen are into single shots) that falls into those categories. And he is got two babies so I am pretty sure he will be on family leave from the sport till his 50's. 

Sad part is now that demand has died the rifles are selling for 1/3 of their 1990's value. So now that we can afford them we are to old to shoot them.

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Reply #22 - Dec 22nd, 2021 at 7:37pm
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What is actually sad is that Coors help build the Coors Range at the NRA Range and close to it being near Raton New Mexico. Yet no body wants to seem to attend the ISSA National Match still being held there any longer?  
Not to long back I believe there were some 179 who used to show up or there about's. I have no qualms about any of the folks who just want to be collectors. But when their  safe Queens are no longer worth anything so be it.
I find it abit odd that some of these same folks would not take them out of the safe and to let somebody shoot what they have. 
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Reply #23 - Dec 22nd, 2021 at 8:11pm
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Premod70 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2021 at 4:11pm:
The promise of sex or money gets the young  people moving and without it you’re SOL. Best then and the only then that moved this world was Coors and their sponsorship of the single shots. My opinion is we need another similar type enterprise willing to stick their neck out in this totally antigun UnAmerican corporate America we inhabit.


Sex, money, okay I'll take it if I can keep my guns and tools and rifle matches. And my Jeep.
  

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Reply #24 - Dec 23rd, 2021 at 3:39pm
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As Dellet previously stated, we need a MOVIE to generate interest in Schuetzen. 
If anyone could calculate the amount of dollars spent on Muzzleloading and black powder cartridge rifles ,and as a result, Schuetzen shooting by the movies Jeremiah Johnson and Quigley Down Under the amount would rival the budgets of major nations. The entire black powder industry and a great deal of the Schuetzen game owes its existence to those movies. I, along will all my friends , had to have a Hawken rifle after we saw Jeremiah Johnson. That led to an interest in old single shots, and pretty soon a trapdoor then a sharps, then a Highwall. By the time Quigley came out I was already well into the Schuetzen with my Sharps, but as we all know, that movie provided the interest to an entire generation of single shot rifle shooters.

The seed planted by those movies fell upon fertile ground. The generation of shooters that saw those movies were mostly baby boomers who grew up watching westerns every day on TV. Today's shooters do not have that background or interest in 
cowboys or buffalo hunts etc. However, a good movie will generate such interest. 
First, we need a good story. Something with a woman in a major role, maybe a story about Annie Oakley or a completely fictional character based on her story. Another option would be to base the story on one of the legendary Schuetzen shooters like Harry Pope or whoever, and make sure some female characters play important roles in the shooting. As long as we are making it up, we can write whatever we want. 
Then, we need to center the plot around Schuetzen competition.
We need some humor, which could be supplied by our members contributing humorous anecdotes from their experience over the years.

We also need a writer, a producer and lots of money. 
There are some people out there who might be willing to financially back the project, but we need a good product to sell.

I have the idea, but I am not a writer, producer, and certainly no financial backer, but hopefully there are people out there who would be willing to get involved. 

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Reply #25 - Dec 23rd, 2021 at 4:02pm
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I cannot think of any one in Hollywood would now produce such a thing.
  

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Reply #26 - Dec 23rd, 2021 at 6:29pm
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JLouis wrote on Dec 23rd, 2021 at 4:02pm:
I cannot think of any one in Hollywood would now produce such a thing.


Clint Eastwood Wink
  
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Reply #27 - Dec 23rd, 2021 at 6:49pm
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4570mike wrote on Dec 23rd, 2021 at 6:29pm:
JLouis wrote on Dec 23rd, 2021 at 4:02pm:
I cannot think of any one in Hollywood would now produce such a thing.


Clint Eastwood Wink


Actually it wouldn’t be a stretch to Taylor Sheridan to write the Quigley shoot or the Butte club and or MVA and either Shiloh or C.Sharps into an episode of two of YellowStone. 

He’s used local color often.

And yes, that does piss off a certain amount of the locals.
Hollywood meets Butte shooters could be entertaining in itself
  
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Reply #28 - Dec 23rd, 2021 at 6:59pm
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I think HM Pope has the type of life events that would make a great movie. If I remember correctly, his parents died when he was young so he was raised by relatives. That's good for movies. Intelligent, in car manufacture, Bicycles = years of struggle. Borrows from a famous gunsmith then perfects his system of rifling = success but no money. Moves to Frisco and lives through the 1906 earthquake. Winds up in LA for a while. Rescued by friends and moved back East where he marries and continues to make fabulous world class barrels, more struggle. Somewhere in there is his association with Stevens = big drama there is good.  Throw in a redheaded hottie which he survives = love tryst, a mandatory movie requirement.  Throw in some shooting matches with Doc Hudson and other notables = action drama. Ring a barrel = his human side.

My vote is for Burt Lancaster. 

Far as I've seen in new movies, there are no actors who could act their way out of a wet paper bag. Not in America anyway.
  

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Reply #29 - Dec 23rd, 2021 at 7:03pm
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Definitely not Alex Baldwin who says he never fired the handgun that killed the cinematographer.
  
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