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Reply #15 - Jan 6th, 2022 at 5:12pm
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bnice wrote on Jan 6th, 2022 at 3:12pm:
thanks, like the loop lever, mine has  the standard lever. Do you have your iron rear sight?


No I don't have the rear sight. It's set up for the de-mountable receiver sight (short rail on LH side of receiver). Frankly I haven't researched exactly which sight it should have. I'm willing to be educated on that!
  
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Reply #16 - Jan 11th, 2022 at 12:54pm
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I only saw a couple of them back in my belly-shooting days, 1958-1960.  They were set up just like the one in the photo.  No iron sights in the league we shot in.
  
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Reply #17 - Jan 11th, 2022 at 2:17pm
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The "speed lock action" consisted of more than a heavy spring, read very heavy spring, and a considerably shorter hammer fall. In short, it was designed to be competitive with the upcoming bolt guns of the time. An uphill battle!! doomed to failure. Some Ballard prone guns fared better, but most with custom(Pope,Hubalek,Titherington,Peterson etc) not factory barrels.
  

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Reply #18 - Jan 12th, 2022 at 12:30pm
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I've never handled one, but I've been told that the hammer went to full cock when the action closed, and with that heavy spring, letting it down was a challenge.  Cocking it with the breech block closed was even more of a challenge.   

Could you open the action with the hammer cocked?   

Was there even a half-cock position?   

Any safe gun handling issues?  What if you were prone, ready to shoot, and the range officer calls "cease fire"?
  
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Reply #19 - Jan 12th, 2022 at 12:48pm
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Like every other configuration of the 44 action, the breechblock can be opened with the hammer cocked.  If there is a cartridge in the chamber of a 417, it will be ejected.  (The 417 has the same ejector design as the 1915 Favorite, rather than a simple extractor.)   So it's fairly safe from that standpoint.

What I'd like to know is whether the hammer and trigger were through-hardened steel.  The 44's parts were merely case hardened.  That stiff spring would put am awful lot of pressure on the trigger tip and hammer notch. I can't imagine the trigger pull staying safe for very long. 
  

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Reply #20 - Jan 12th, 2022 at 2:44pm
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On the 418, full cock is where half cock would be on a 44, if you pull the hammer back to where full cock would be on a 44, the 418 is on safe, or as safe as can be without a real safety. I’d imagine that it would be the same on a 417.
  
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Reply #21 - Jan 12th, 2022 at 3:59pm
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I've read that about the 417.  To get  the hammer out of the way of a cleaning rod, I suppose.
  

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Reply #22 - Jan 12th, 2022 at 7:25pm
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My 417 doesn't behave that way. One notch on the hammer, full cock where 1/2 cock would be on a 44, and nothing else. Drawing the hammer waaaay back does not latch it. Cleaning rod clears the hammer (barely) when action is open and hammer left in its "natural" position - frankly the extractor is more of a hindrance in that regard.

While admittedly heavier than expected, I don't find the hammer to be  hard to lower. (I always draw it back out of sear engagement before pulling trigger to lower it into it's resting position against the breech block, on an empty chamber of course.)
  
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Reply #23 - Jan 13th, 2022 at 12:24am
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Mine is the same. Full cock is approximatly where half cock would be. The spring on mine is very stiff, awkward and difficult to cock manually, and even more so with a scope mounted. I do force myself to keep that in mind when lowering the hammer manually as you do gnoahhh. The trigger on mine is surprisingly light given the spring. I have never weighed the trigger pull, but will now, just to satisfy curiosity. It is wonderfully accurate, which I guess makes up for some of the above inconvenience. Mine is also I believe a late gun, as it has a blued, rather than a case colored frame.
  

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Reply #24 - Jan 13th, 2022 at 1:24pm
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My trigger pull is a very consistent clean 3 pounds. Not ideal for fine work, IMO, but certainly usable. I would like to stone the trigger/hammer a bit but then I think about the hassles of finding replacements if a mistake is made. I think I'll leave it alone.
  
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Reply #25 - Jan 16th, 2022 at 11:41pm
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Just had an old friend ask me today what the proper rear iron sights are for the WH.....I've never had one  so if anybody knows what sights they were supplied with I would love to be able to send my buddy the information.Thanks!
  
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Reply #26 - Jan 17th, 2022 at 10:34am
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I had wondered about that too, so finally thought to consult my old copy of "Savage and Stevens Arms and History", Bill West. According to a page he reproduced from a 1939 catalog, they were offered in the following variations, all according to their sighting equipment.

No. 417-0: with Lyman 52L extension sight
No. 417-1: with Lyman 48L receiver sight
No. 417-2: with Lyman 144 sight
No. 417-3: without front or rear sights

Referencing Stroebel regarding the sights:

Lyman 52L base was clamped to the sight bar on the LH side of the receiver and contained a round bar that extended rearward to put the body of the sight close to the shooter's eye, with notches in it to select said distance.

Lyman 48L was a standard 48 which (I'm assuming) attached to the sight bar on the LH side of the receiver. Assuming because there's no illustration in Stroebel's book, and the 1939 ad which illustrates a rifle with Lyman 48 lacks closeup detail.

Lyman 144 is a bit of a mystery to me as it's not mentioned or illustrated in Stroebel, nor the Stevens 1939 ad. There is a No. 44 lumped in with Lyman's standard tang sights though. Could the 144 be variation of that tang sight? Perhaps a windage adjustable tang sight variant, similar to the 103? The "44" appellation makes me suspect something specific for the Stevens 44. I would wish to be set straight!
  
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Re: Stevens Walnut Hill production
Reply #27 - Jan 17th, 2022 at 1:26pm
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Yes, the 144 sight was made for Stevens by Lyman and only sold with Stevens rifles. It has windage adjustment. I have one on my 414. Here's a photo of one.
  
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Reply #28 - Jan 17th, 2022 at 1:47pm
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Thanks for the info...Now I'm trying to ascertain just which model of the WH my buddy has....Awaiting pictures which should help a bit.I had no idea there were so many variations but that's Stevens for ya.
  
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Reply #29 - Jan 17th, 2022 at 9:22pm
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Several variations determined by sights only. Not unusual for Stevens. Favorites were the same way. I am very familiar with the 144 Stevens only sight. Used on the 417's and 418's only.
  
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