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Reply #15 - Dec 13th, 2021 at 8:07pm
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So when General Sheridan decided that the buffalo needed to be killed to thwart the Indians he had a good supply of needle guns and furnished them to civilians. More importantly he also furnished ammo and after the adoption of the 45-70 in 1873 the army had plenty of 50-70 ammo to give away. Why buy a Sharps and pay for ammo when you could get a rifle and ammo from the government for free?
  
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Reply #16 - Dec 14th, 2021 at 10:06am
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oneatatime wrote on Dec 13th, 2021 at 8:07pm:
So when General Sheridan decided that the buffalo needed to be killed to thwart the Indians he had a good supply of needle guns and furnished them to civilians. More importantly he also furnished ammo and after the adoption of the 45-70 in 1873 the army had plenty of 50-70 ammo to give away. Why buy a Sharps and pay for ammo when you could get a rifle and ammo from the government for free?

As I have no first hand knowledge on the demise of buffaloes my guess is those that hunted the beasts for profit quickly saw the benefits of a longer range rifle over the abilities of the 50-70. Imagine a month on the plains with the needle gun only to see a fellow hunter return with say double the number of hides. Doesn’t take long before one takes the walk to the store selling Sharps rifles on their next visit to town.
  
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Reply #17 - Dec 14th, 2021 at 4:42pm
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Maybe I missed it. But did the OP confirm its a .50-70?  Remington did make .50-45 carbines too.
  
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Reply #18 - Dec 14th, 2021 at 5:12pm
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Premod, you're correct. Take Bill Cody for instance, after he killed 11 buffalo and it took him 12 shots with his '66 trapdoor, Lucretia Borgia, he went right out and got a Sharps. Oh wait, he didn't, it was 1867 and the Sharps wasn't out until 1874. He didn't even update to the 45-70 when the army did in 1873. Lots of buffalo went to the happy hunting grounds in those 7 years. Besides, a '74 Sharps is so dang ugly;-) Bill never did get rid of Lucretia.
  
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Reply #19 - Dec 14th, 2021 at 8:18pm
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oneatatime wrote on Dec 14th, 2021 at 5:12pm:
Premod, you're correct. Take Bill Cody for instance, after he killed 11 buffalo and it took him 12 shots with his '66 trapdoor, Lucretia Borgia, he went right out and got a Sharps. Oh wait, he didn't, it was 1867 and the Sharps wasn't out until 1874. He didn't even update to the 45-70 when the army did in 1873. Lots of buffalo went to the happy hunting grounds in those 7 years. Besides, a '74 Sharps is so dang ugly;-) Bill never did get rid of Lucretia.

Just to clear up few misfigures, the Sharps was chambered in capable buffalo rounds in 1869 and the model 1874 was first produced in 1871.
  
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Reply #20 - Dec 15th, 2021 at 12:37am
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Thank you, very clarifying.
  
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Reply #21 - Dec 15th, 2021 at 12:30pm
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Although we are way off original question, the carbine is .50-2 1/2'. I believe that is .50-90.
  

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Reply #22 - Dec 15th, 2021 at 12:33pm
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BTW - I am not the only one to call it a Rolling Block Buffalo Rifle

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Reply #23 - Dec 15th, 2021 at 12:59pm
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Thanks for the update Nimrod.  A .50-90 carbine will be quite a thumper.  That is much lighter than the 30" barreled Dixie Gun Works heavy rifle.  I once had an original .50-70 Sharps conversion carbine. With full load .50-70s, it thumped pretty good.  Can't wait to see photos of yours.
  
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Reply #24 - Dec 15th, 2021 at 6:37pm
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Picture of Jerry Potts with his .44 Henry Rimfire 1866 Winchester which he used for his entire life.

He procured the rifle by winning a battle with the previous owner; a Crow Indian with two friends with bow and arrows who were trying to kill him - by shooting them with a revolver.
They had killed his cousin first.
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Reply #25 - Dec 15th, 2021 at 6:50pm
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Looks like an 1873 to me?
My dad always said the best use of a pistol in a battle was to fight your way to a rifle.

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Reply #26 - Dec 15th, 2021 at 7:30pm
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Probably abit off topic but if you haven't seen the movie "The Last Hunt" I highly recommend it. 
The Buffalo's being shot in the movie were actually being killed. At the time it was actually the thinning of the herd at Yellowstone National Park at the time and that was also taking place at the time. 

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Reply #27 - Dec 15th, 2021 at 7:31pm
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The remains of the rifle action (with his name inscribed on it) have been measured and have confirmed it is a 1866 Winchester Yellow Boy.

Also the 1873 never had a brass receiver.

It is well documented the rifle he held in the photo had a brass receiver.

In 1883 hide hunters were having trouble finding their prey. 
Hunts were fruitless the next year. 
Buffalo were found dead — but they hadn't been shot; they'd simply collapsed and died.
Ten federally listed diseases of concern for buffalo conservation in North America that originated from cattle.

anaplasmosis
anthrax
bluetongue
bovine spongiform encephalopathy
bovine brucellosis
bovine tuberculosis
bovine viral diarrhea
hemorrhagic septicemia (outbreaks have occurred in the past)
Johne’s disease, and
malignant catarrhal fever

Of these, hemorrhagic septicemia and malignant catarrhal fever pose the most immediate threats to buffalo.
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Reply #28 - Dec 15th, 2021 at 8:42pm
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sureshot wrote on Dec 15th, 2021 at 6:50pm:
Looks like an 1873 to me?
My dad always said the best use of a pistol in a battle was to fight your way to a rifle.
Steve   Smiley

My old eyes tell me it’s a 1873 as well but then I’ve been fooled by pictures before.
  
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Re: Rolling Block Buffalo Carbine
Reply #29 - Dec 15th, 2021 at 8:57pm
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From Wikipedia.

Jerry Potts Firearms:

The last rusty remains of Jerry Potts Firearms came from the Fort Whoop Up rifle collection.

Many people believe Jerry Potts had a Henry Rifle but the pictures of Jerry with the rifle show it had a side loading port. The Henry Rifle did not have the side loading port. Jerry Pott's rifle was a 1866 Winchester Lever Action YellowBoy. The last remaining 1866 Winchester rifle part (with Jerry Potts name on it) was chambered in .44 Henry (Rimfire).

Jerry Potts also had a Top Break Auto Eject Revolver. It was a Smith & Wesson Double Action Frontier Model chambered in .44-40 Win.

Interestingly, the rifle in the photograph with it's prominently raised side plates on the receiver, appears to be an 1873 Winchester. This rifle would also fire the .44-40 cartridge, same as his revolver.
  

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