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Nimrod Junior Member Offline O.S.O.K. Posts: 62 Location: Eastern New Mexico Joined: Aug 8^th, 2013	Rolling Block Buffalo Carbine Dec 11^th, 2021 at 9:39am	Print Post
	Just how collectable would a Rolling Block Saddle Ring Carbine be? It is a .50 Cal Buffalo Carbine. Just curious as I have one in my possession.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16269 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Rolling Block Buffalo Carbine Reply #1 - Dec 11^th, 2021 at 11:53am	Print Post
	Is this a military saddle ring carbine, or a Sporting Carbine? If it's a military carbine it's more common, but if it's a Sporting Carbine it's extremely rare.

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Nimrod Junior Member Offline O.S.O.K. Posts: 62 Location: Eastern New Mexico Joined: Aug 8^th, 2013	Re: Rolling Block Buffalo Carbine Reply #2 - Dec 11^th, 2021 at 1:18pm	Print Post
	It is the military carbine. At least it has the straight military butt stock on it.

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Nimrod Junior Member Offline O.S.O.K. Posts: 62 Location: Eastern New Mexico Joined: Aug 8^th, 2013	Re: Rolling Block Buffalo Carbine Reply #3 - Dec 11^th, 2021 at 1:19pm	Print Post
	I will add a picture when I can. May be a week or so.

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ndnchf Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1066 Joined: Mar 6^th, 2014	Re: Rolling Block Buffalo Carbine Reply #4 - Dec 12^th, 2021 at 3:26pm	Print Post
	Where did the term "buffalo carbine" come from? I don't believe it is a historical name. What .50 cartridge is it chambered for?


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1314 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Rolling Block Buffalo Carbine Reply #5 - Dec 12^th, 2021 at 8:42pm	Print Post
	One possible origin of the "buffalo carbine" name is that some white men, like some Indians, preferred to kill their buffalo from horseback. Perhaps they found the rolling block action much easier to load than the Springfield when galloping along. The noticeably slimmer Remington carbine was also about 4" shorter and 8 oz. lighter, and some considered the .50-70 a better "killer" at close range. Another grossly speculative name source is that surplus Remington carbines were the guns initially issued to Black cavalry units, popularly known as "Buffalo Soldiers". Bill Lawrence


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4075 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Rolling Block Buffalo Carbine Reply #6 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 12:20am	Print Post
	It is interesting belief that large calibers were necessary to hunt Buffalo. The Metis Scout Jerry Potts shot numerous buffalo from horseback to feed the NorthWest Mounted Police. He used a 1866 Winchester (Yellowboy) chambered in .44 Henry Rimfire which shot a 200 grain bullet at 1,125 fps. He also shot 40 men over his lifetime as a horse trader and as a Peigan War Chief (prior to being a Police Scout) using the rifle during the Battle of the Belly River (he shot 21 Cree that day) between the Cree and Blood/Peigan Tribes. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Picture of the remains of Jerry Potts rifle. George Custer carried a .50-70 Remington Rolling Block at the Little Bighorn Massacre. Jerry Potts was the interpreter when the Northwest Mounted Police had discussions with Sitting Bull when he went to the Northwest Territories after the Little Big Horn Massacre. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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Premod70 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 867 Location: North Carolina Joined: Jan 16^th, 2016	Re: Rolling Block Buffalo Carbine Reply #7 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 9:51am	Print Post
	To a professional buffalo hunter a large caliber Sharps was a necessity; very reliable and properly powerful for on site killing. Riding a horse was out if the question if one intended to kill and skin the numbers it took to run a proper camp. The vast majority of mass slaughters were done on foot by hunters that knew how to kill without disturbing the remaining herd using a proper buffalo rifle.


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1314 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Rolling Block Buffalo Carbine Reply #8 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 10:54am	Print Post
	Your points are good ones, Premod70. And I'm sorry that my earlier comment did not make clear that a those shooting buffalo on horseback were almost always sportsmen or for-the-table hunters rather than professionals. Bill Lawrence


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16269 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Rolling Block Buffalo Carbine Reply #9 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 10:56am	Print Post
	Consider also that by the time the .45-70 arrived on the commercial market the buffalo hunting was near it's end. So prior to that the .50-70 was a very commonly found chambering, and being used for buffalo hunting by a number of hunters. So it only makes sense that if someone used a carbine in this cartridge they might call it a "buffalo carbine".

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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4075 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Rolling Block Buffalo Carbine Reply #10 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 4:04pm	Print Post
	SSDave I have seen many impressive aboriginal hunters shoot and kill wildlife with anemic firearms (since they did not have access to better quality firearms). They never wounded them - rather with skill they hit specific spots and killed them. I have seen them kill many black bears and moose only using a 22 LR rifle by shooting it behind the ear. Picture of record Grizzly shot by Bella Twin with a single shot .22 in the temple. Agreed many Buffalo hunters used maximum firepower to accomplish their tasks - but possibly with less shooting skill or skill to get closer to their prey. But the aboriginals were hunting meat and not trying to load wagons full of hides. Many wildfire camps the aboriginal firefighters or cook brought home bear ribs for supper which had been harvested with rimfire rifles. I have seen them decline T-bone steaks because bear ribs were always their preference.
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Jeff_Schultz ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1612 Location: Ransomville, NY Joined: Apr 25^th, 2004	Re: Rolling Block Buffalo Carbine Reply #11 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 5:14pm	Print Post
	This is the first place I have ever seen the 30-30 Winchester called anemic.
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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4075 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Rolling Block Buffalo Carbine Reply #12 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 5:52pm	Print Post
	Bella Twin's Grizzly skull.


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Premod70 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 867 Location: North Carolina Joined: Jan 16^th, 2016	Re: Rolling Block Buffalo Carbine Reply #13 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 6:51pm	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 10:54am: Your points are good ones, Premod70. And I'm sorry that my earlier comment did not make clear that a those shooting buffalo on horseback were almost always sportsmen or for-the-table hunters rather than professionals. Bill Lawrence Various guns were used on the buffaloes back in the day. Buffalo Bill got his name using a Trapdoor 50-70 shooting from horseback. Some claim the Trapdoor killed more buffaloes than any of the other makes but how that is proven is beyond me. The Sharps still is the go to rifle when all the necessities are counted and values placed. Looking back no era in America can be found where a rifle made in so little numbers did so much to earn a name, for Sharps it’s the ‘buffalo rifle’. JMHO.


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Premod70 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 867 Location: North Carolina Joined: Jan 16^th, 2016	Re: Rolling Block Buffalo Carbine Reply #14 - Dec 13^th, 2021 at 7:28pm	Print Post
	Jeff_Schultz wrote on Dec 13^th, 2021 at 5:14pm: This is the first place I have ever seen the 30-30 Winchester called anemic. When the question is applied to the internet the list of naysayers is endless. Some claim that bullets launched from a 30-06 bounce off game! Magnums still rule in most circles.


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