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KFW Oldtimer Offline Posts: 634 Location: Wyoming Joined: Dec 18^th, 2016	Ballard 5 1/2 Montana Dec 9^th, 2021 at 9:44am	Print Post
	Can some one who has a original please provide me with the across flat barrel dimensions, muzzle and breech. Assuming it has a 32" long barrel, could one weigh it for me also. I am toying with the idea of building another Ballard and would like some base line spec's before hand. The Montana build sounds intriguing in a .45 2 7/8" thanks kw


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18055 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard 5 1/2 Montana Reply #1 - Dec 9^th, 2021 at 10:29am	Print Post
	John Dutcher lists the weight on the Montana as 14.25-14.4 lbs. Should you decide to build up a correct clone you'll need a non rebated flat side heavy straight grip frame also. Those are not often seen, so hope you already have one. I don't own a Montana, but have a good friend with one. I'll see if his is accessible to measure the flats? I'd estimate the Montana barrels are about .125" wider overall than the frame width, and have the edge butted to the receiver beveled slightly.

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KFW Oldtimer Offline Posts: 634 Location: Wyoming Joined: Dec 18^th, 2016	Re: Ballard 5 1/2 Montana Reply #2 - Dec 9^th, 2021 at 10:39am	Print Post
	Yes I have a proper new frame in the works. I checked Dutcher's listed book weight, one more for verification would be great. kw


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ssrifles Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 321 Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2009	Re: Ballard 5 1/2 Montana Reply #3 - Dec 9^th, 2021 at 10:56am	Print Post
	kfw, in the ria auction this past weekend i bought the montana for a client of mine, he has another one i will get after Christmas to sale. if you haven't got the #'s you need contact me and i can get them for you. tony<><


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KFW Oldtimer Offline Posts: 634 Location: Wyoming Joined: Dec 18^th, 2016	Re: Ballard 5 1/2 Montana Reply #4 - Dec 9^th, 2021 at 12:26pm	Print Post
	One more question, has anyone seen or heard of a special feature being added to the Montana model such as a 34" barrel, pistol grip, checkering etc. thanks kw


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ssrifles Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 321 Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2009	Re: Ballard 5 1/2 Montana Reply #5 - Dec 9^th, 2021 at 9:40pm	Print Post
	kfw, i have owned 4 and seen a couple of more, every one was either a very heavy 30" or heavy 32". tony <><


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ssrifles Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 321 Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2009	Re: Ballard 5 1/2 Montana Reply #6 - Dec 9^th, 2021 at 9:41pm	Print Post
	kfw, i have owned 4 and seen a couple of more, every one was either a very heavy 30" or heavy 32".straight grip and no checkering. but a delux would be a nice gun tony <><


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KFW Oldtimer Offline Posts: 634 Location: Wyoming Joined: Dec 18^th, 2016	Re: Ballard 5 1/2 Montana Reply #7 - Dec 10^th, 2021 at 6:40am	Print Post
	Either a very heavy 30" or heavy 32"straight. Tony that in itself is interesting. Maybe there was some build variation?


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ssrifles Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 321 Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2009	Re: Ballard 5 1/2 Montana Reply #8 - Dec 10^th, 2021 at 9:38am	Print Post
	there was at least 2 ballard pacific #5's that had pistol grips and at least one that was engraved . the montana had either a rifle or shotgun buttplate. since there is so few known to exist the variations seen are very limited. these big 5 1/2's were really to late for the buffaloe hunt so production was low less than 15 known,2 of the 4 i owned were not listed in john dutchers book. but every one except the one i bought this past weekend were very well used. tony<><


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18055 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard 5 1/2 Montana Reply #9 - Dec 10^th, 2021 at 10:41am	Print Post
	Tony, One of those pistol gripped #5 Pacifics was the Browning Bros. marked one in John's book, and my friend owned it for a number of years. He sold it at Denver about 3 years ago, and when he put it out for sale I questioned why he'd sell it. He told me he had two of them in the same configuration, which I questioned, since I know his collection as good as he does. He sold it to another collector we both know, and when he got home he realized he didn't have two pistol gripped #5's and didn't have another Ballard with Browning Bros. marked barrel! He was pretty bummed out at his mistake.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18055 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard 5 1/2 Montana Reply #10 - Dec 10^th, 2021 at 10:43am	Print Post
	ssrifles wrote on Dec 9^th, 2021 at 9:40pm: kfw, i have owned 4 and seen a couple of more, every one was either a very heavy 30" or heavy 32". tony <>< Are you saying the 30" had an even heavier barrel than the 32"? And didn't all Montana Ballards have very heavy barrels larger than the receivers?

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ssrifles Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 321 Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2009	Re: Ballard 5 1/2 Montana Reply #11 - Dec 10^th, 2021 at 11:34am	Print Post
	val, yes on both. i had a #5 years ago with browning bros on the barrel. sold it to a man out your way, then he died and lost track of it. wonder if it's the same gun.one of the pg pacifics had a cracked receiver and i think ron long put another pg reciever to it but the cracked frame was with it at one time. tony <><


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