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Barrel choices
Nov 28th, 2021 at 12:42am
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I have two bpcr rifles, one is a hi wall and the other is a CPA Stevens. The Stevens has a Krieger barrel chambered in 40-60 Maynard and the hi wall has a gm barrel in  40-65. 
The Stevens has proved to be more accurate so far, but I'm not sure if this is because I have spent more time shooting it, or if the 40-60 is a more accurate BP cartridge, or perhaps the Krieger barrel is better than the GM barrel.
I would like opinions as to what are generally considered to be the best barrels currently available should I decide to re barrel the Hi Wall.
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Reply #1 - Nov 28th, 2021 at 8:53am
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Badger barrels were at first single cut, as per what Ernie learned from Boots Obermeyer. But then,for Most of the Badger barrels
he switched to single pass Broach Cutting them for faster production.  Still good shooting barrels such as those on the Browning BPCRs. 
Kriegers are still single cut. Exlt barrels.  John Krieger has more recently added the more popularly priced Criterion barrels which are, I believe button rifled. The Criterions are are almost totally finished/blued or parkerized and ready to 
fit to '03 Springfields, Garands, Carbines and even Krags-for Vin Mil matches
  
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Reply #2 - Nov 28th, 2021 at 9:12pm
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That's not a lot of barrel choices, I thought there would be a lot more out there.
Mike.
PS  cost is not an issue, availability is.
  
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Reply #3 - Nov 28th, 2021 at 10:11pm
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You might look at the blanks CPA offers for extra cost over the good Douglas barrels, Shilen, Bartlein and RKS? I've personally never used an RKS in a build. Someday, I'll try one and I also would like to try a BRC barrel some time. Good luck with it.
  
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Reply #4 - Nov 28th, 2021 at 11:35pm
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BRC choked barrels are  very good barrels, I don't think they have to take a back seat to many. 
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Reply #5 - Nov 29th, 2021 at 1:50pm
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Rifles used by best 50 shot cast bullet shooters with single shot rifles in last twentyfive years. Only shooters that have shot 1240 or more out a maximum score of 1250.

1240 Jerry Hartwig 2015 Modesto, California
        120 grain Mos 10:1 Douglas 20:1 alloy (.25-20 WCF) 20X Lyman Targetspot CPA 44 1/2 AA4100

1240 Jan Pritchard 2010 Modesto, California
        208 grain Darr 16:1 Darr (.32-40) Unertl 20X Falling Block Works AA#9

1240 Lowell D. Hamilton 1996 Raton, New Mexico (Pistol Match)
        213 grain Paul Jones 14:1 Douglas (.32 Miller) Leupold 36X Miller DeHaas AA#9

1241 Ron Yatso 2015 Tacoma, Washington
       230 grain Paul Jones 14:1 RKS Gain (.32 MS) Night Force ?X Miller DeHaas AA#9

1241 Gerald Miller 2010 Tacoma, Washington
        227 grain Paul Jones 14:1 RKS Gain (.32-40) Weaver 25X Ruger #3 H108

1241 Dave Purcell 2010 Raton, New Mexico
        220 grain Mos 14:1 RKS Gain (.32 MS) Redfield 32X Miller DeHaas H108

1241 Earl Hines 1996 Raton, New Mexico
        220 grain Brewer 14:1 RKS Gain (.32 MS) Unertl 36X Miller DeHaas H108

1242*Jeff Schultz 2011 Etna Green, Indiana.
         217 grain Borton-Darr 14:1 Shilen (.32-40) Weaver 36X Miller DeHaas ?Powder

1243 Tommy Mason 2010 Spruce Grove, Alberta
        206 grain Paul Jones 14:1 RKS Gain (.32 MS) Unertl 32X Miller DeHaas H108

1243 Jim Borton 2007 Etna Green, Indiana.
        215 grain Borton-Darr 11.5:1 RKS Gain (.32 MS) Sightron 36X Miller DeHaas ?Powder

1244 Rick MacHale 2016 Raton, New Mexico
        230 grain Paul Jones 12:1 RKS Gain (.32-40) Lyman 20X CPA Stevens 44 1/2 Win 296

1245 John Schauf 2021 Tacoma, Washington
        210 grain Schauf Round Nose 14:1 Shilen (.32-20) Night Force 42X CPA Stevens 44 1/2 AA4100

1245*Dale Reynolds 2011 Warsaw, Indiana
         ? grain Borton-Darr 10:1 Pac-Nor (32-30 Rem) Sightron 36X Reynolds Custom Action ?Powder

1245 Dave Patterson 2007 Nine Mile Falls, Washington
        236 grain Paul Jones 11.5:1 RKS Gain (.32 RKS) Burris 24X Miller DeHaas H108

1247 Donn Hanks 2016 Phoenix, Arizona
        198 grain Mos 14:1 RKS Gain (.32 MS) Weaver 36X Hoch AA#9

1249 Jack Odor 2011 Raton, New Mexico
        207 grain Mos 14:1 RKS Gain (.32 MS) Leupold 36X Miller DeHaas AA#9

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Re: Barrel choices
Reply #6 - Nov 29th, 2021 at 3:50pm
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Talking about RKS gain-twist barrels, and possible accuracy, here's a group I recently shot at 200 yds. I was not trying to compensate for mirage and would try and shoot in a calm, or calmer wind, when there was any. Perhaps the shot that went out of the group was when the ~10 mph, 3-oclock wind slacked off? This is a 40-65 with 59 gr of 1.5 Fg Swiss. This was shot off the bench with a 20x scope.

The four shots out of 5 measure 1 3/8". With the fifth shot the group opens up to 3" wide x 1 3/8" high.

Not saying that the barrel is the only variable to good accuracy. On this particular rifle, and its reloads, I have tried to tighten the other variables as much as I could, or at least I thought I was doing so. 

  
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Reply #7 - Nov 29th, 2021 at 4:19pm
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Joe you could help change that. 
They actually haven't been around that long and they could use your abilities and your support to help them out.
  

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Reply #8 - Nov 29th, 2021 at 5:14pm
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Joe I am getting over the hill and I haven't been out to shoot since April. 
So I really cannot provide BRC much help at this point in my life.
  

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Reply #9 - Nov 29th, 2021 at 5:53pm
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Accuracy from a RKS barrel when you have selected an appropriate bullet length for your barrel's twist, once you know how to properly call the wind and have learned how to properly seat your bullet to the correct depth with an adjustable breech seater  and you have determined the proper powder load to minimize your barrel vibrations. Not to mention proper bench technique. Hepburnman PM me if you would like further advice.

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Reply #10 - Nov 29th, 2021 at 6:37pm
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I have personally had three RKS barrels and I could not get a one of them to shoot.
But on the other hand I have achieved all of my own personal accomplishments with Douglas barrels.
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Reply #11 - Nov 29th, 2021 at 6:55pm
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Looks like you could learn something John if you were ever to listen - but it appears you believe you have everything figured out anyways (except RKS barrels). 
However ten (62.5%) of the TOP sixteen 50 shot benchrest shooters seem to have figured them out.
And only one Douglas barrel made it onto the list with the lowest score of 1240.
How come you have never successfully shot 1240 or better John in the last twenty five years?
When you have outstanding benchrest technique and a Douglas barrel.
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Reply #12 - Nov 29th, 2021 at 7:56pm
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From about 2000 to about 2008 I had accomplished 172 or 174 I now forgot top three finishes in CBA alone. And a few club records and a National Plainbase Championship in 2006 at Springfield Oregon. Rifle a CPA Schuetzen Jr. in 32-40 with a 15 twist Douglas barrel and being shot off the Bench. I don't think I could have actually learned anything from you Dave to accomplish my own personal accomplishments. The match that you keep referring too doe not actually mean anything to me being able to stay in the top three for eight years straight is what has actually what has. Maybe you could have actually learned something from me?
  

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Reply #13 - Nov 29th, 2021 at 8:06pm
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Thankyou all for the advice, buying a barrel is quite an expense when you live in Australia and have to get an export permit to get t out of the USA which costs nearly US$ 400. On top of the permit costs there is also freight etc plus clearance costs when it arrives here.  I'm speaking from experience, not what I have been told it might cost. I will make enquiries with CPA as to the cost of fitting a barrel to my Hi Wall action and chambering it as well. I am happy with the Krieger barrel in my 441/2 that CPA  put together for me, perhaps at my age I may not see any improvement in accuracy worth spending a grand on. I feel sorry for barrel makers as it only takes one bad one to slip through and with the advent of social media the bad news can spread like wildfire. I don't know if it's true or not but I read somewhere that Harry Pope had a way of testing his barrels before they got sent out, and if there was a problem he would rectify it before shipment, don't know how true that story is though. All my dealings with CPA have been very positive and that is where I will start this journey.
Thanks again.
Mike.
PS  My 80th birthday is in January, I can supply my address to  anybody wishing to send expensive gifts. (just hoping ) .
  
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Reply #14 - Nov 29th, 2021 at 8:19pm
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Unfortunately everything here is also getting very expensive. 
But I could not even imagine what it would even cost you to get one there to you.
  

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