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Re: Stevens 44 /2
Reply #30 - Nov 14th, 2021 at 4:59pm
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How interesting that your 22 LR extractor is stamped on the other side with an "0" (number) or "O" (letter) and the infamous "EX".  Both those stamps are often found on the action faces of Stevens rifles and have given collectors and researchers cat fits for years about what they might mean.

In any case, I have to ask, does the action the .22 LR extractor goes to also have the "0"/"O" and/or "EX" stamps?

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Reply #31 - Nov 14th, 2021 at 5:53pm
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This rifle does not have the EX stamp on the front of the action. The rifle does not have any special order extras. It has a original non-matching .32-40 barrel on it with an excellent bore. I do have the matching serial number .22 long rifle barrel, but it has a horrible bore.
  
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Reply #32 - Nov 14th, 2021 at 6:32pm
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Many people, including myself, long thought that "EX" was an indicator of the rifle having something "extra" - i.e. different from the catalog specifications.  But a survey made here several years ago pretty much disproved that explanation.  Oh, well.

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Reply #33 - Nov 14th, 2021 at 6:44pm
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I’m not surprised at that, but I have a couple of 44 1/2’s that have the EX stamp on the front of the action that do have special order extras. So who knows?
  
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Reply #34 - Nov 15th, 2021 at 1:06pm
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bobw
The breechblock looks as if he used the original hole at the rear and offset the firing pin. It may not be obvious in the photos but the firing pin tip is retained by solder.
I've converted two Stevens 44 1/2 breechblocks from rimfire to centerfire, by filling the original hole and re-drilling. This method allows a centered firing pin tip but I had to fill and reposition the firing pin retaining screw.
JL
It appears as if tight inletting of the stock to the back of the action is important, especially in rifles chambered for hard recoiling cartridges. In your target rifle, did you inlet the radiused cuts, as recommended by bobw earlier in this thread?
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I don't see any caliber marking on the rimfire breechblock or any additional markings on the remaining parts. The rifle came with a deteriorated butt pad, that I replaced. The action is marked similar to the one you have pictured with the model number and O/0.
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Reply #35 - Nov 15th, 2021 at 2:06pm
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" JL
It appears as if tight inletting of the stock to the back of the action is important, especially in rifles chambered for hard recoiling cartridges. In your target rifle, did you inlet the radiused cuts, as recommended by bobw earlier in this thread? "
I am not sure exactly what he was referring too?? All of the back of the action including both tangs have been fully epoxied beded to the butt stock. And minus any gaps if that might help to answer his question.
  

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Reply #36 - Nov 15th, 2021 at 5:34pm
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JL
Thanks for your response. I did a poor job of identifying the area in question but maybe a picture will help.
In the photo below, The radiused areas in  question are milled just inside the right and left rear side walls and I've covered both areas with a piece of tape. 
I'm not completely certain that the areas shown are what bobw referred to in his previous replies #11 and 12 but maybe he can confirm that we are talking about the same area.
His previous recommendation, to tightly inlet the "radiused areas" makes sense but I questioned whether it was done routinely in factory stocks.
I examined four of my Stevens 44 1/2 rifles and while all had a short extension of the butt stock into the radiused areas, none were tightly fitted.
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Reply #37 - Nov 15th, 2021 at 6:35pm
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Otto, yes this is the area I was referring to.

My opinion is this area should be inlet tightly and/or bedded on a 44 1/2.  Doesn't matter how deep it is fitted into the frame just as long as its in.  Also my opinion is the factory was in production and most guns were not for target shooting, they were just turning out product.  Not that it make much difference now, due to wood drying out and time, but it might be interesting to see how a factory target gun was setup.

I've included your picture here in order to help show why I believe this needs to be done.

Looking at the front in the picture, the wood is bridged at the top, but is not at the bottom.  The bottom is where the biggest concern is.  By bedding the tangs and the front face of the stock to the back of the frame, yes, you get a solid point for straight recoil, but without the tenon set into the rear of the frame nothing is holding the wood from flexing or spreading at the bottom and away from the lower tang.  The tang retains the wood on the inside, and the tenon, the spreading to the outside.  The tenon should also do a better job of retain the stock at the top and not allow the top bridge to split down the center.  Simply bedding the stock to the rear of the frame and tangs does not hold the stock from twisting out at the bottom.  Just because there is a through bolt, that holds the wood against the frame, verses a couple of wood screws does not make up for the tenon.
Hope this clears up why I originally brought this up and my reasons why.  Also apologize if I sound angry because I'm not! Embarrassed
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Reply #38 - Nov 15th, 2021 at 7:12pm
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Thank you Bobw and it is has been so long back when I actually did my CPA. I really do not now recall if that area is the same? Unfortunately I would now have to take it apart to be able to compare. Unfortunately it shoots so extremely well that I am not so sure that I actually want to right now. Going to sit on it for awhile before I actually decide, but it is also now driving me crazy by not doing so right now. Back when I built my 28-35 on a FBW's Model J action. I actually made and then added the tapered tail piece found on a Ballad action. I then cloned it, the angle and then fully  epoxy bedded it into the butt stock. This to eliminate any undue flex and I have now worked on so many various rifles for friends. I just cannot recall the area in question on my CPA and apparently my age and the lack of my memory on something's are now just getting the best of me. But I do know if that area is the same as a CPA I did and would have also epoxy bedded it.
  

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Re: Stevens 44 /2
Reply #39 - Nov 26th, 2021 at 11:42am
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Chipmaker-Found a reference to a John Bunch from Garland, Texas mentioned in an article called "Golden Era Gunsmiths" in the February 1993 Precision Shooting. The author mentioned his help with the project, so he was probably around at that time.
  
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Re: Stevens 44 /2
Reply #40 - Nov 26th, 2021 at 11:58am
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Thanks for the tip.
I'll see where it leads.
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