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Oct 26th, 2021 at 10:36am
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I want to build a match rifle in .22LR with an exposed hammer (match rules). To extract the last possible bit of accuracy from the barrel I want to have it chambered with a tight chamber, don’t know which one yet. My concern is chambering the round and extraction. From what little I know it seems the Stevens 417 action and others, have a caming effect as the breech block has a rolling motion upon closing and this action would work well in that regard, I’m not that fond of the looks of the Stevens action though. Does anyone reading this have any experience with a high wall, low wall or Winder  target rifle that has a match chamber? I’m leaning towards a Winder that has a coil spring action and it also has an extractor that surrounds the rim of the case quite considerably.
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Reply #1 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 11:24am
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One of the problems with a HiWall is putting a cartridge case into the chamber and being even more difficult in trying to get it back out. Without it falling down into the bottom of breech block cut out and then disassembly is typically required to get it back out. In this regard a Ballard or a 441/2 Stevens would be the better choice. I would think a Low Wall would also be the same. One of the other advantages to a Ballard is they have the best double set triggers compared to all those mentioned above. And they also a faster lock time based on my own personal experience.
  

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Reply #2 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 12:08pm
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"it also has an extractor that surrounds the rim of the case quite considerably."

GS,
While the concept of this is great there is a fault with this extractor.  The discussion for this has been frequent and heavily debated.  The cartridge is in fact surrounded by this extractor, but the firing pin also strikes the rim of the cartridge at the 6 o'clock position in the chamber which puts this directly over the extractor too.  If the extractor is "fit" perfectly to the barrel and there is no gaps and if everything is clean and no dirt or fouling is under the extractor every time it works flawlessly.  But in real life and gun use, this is rarely the case, the change of position and "give" under a worn or dirty condition extractor has created some issues of ignition that caused some head scratching.   
In a couple of HW and LW re-barrel projects I changed the extractor type, going to a 7 or 9 o'clock position and made these actions shoot very accurately.   
As with many situations, this is only an opinion but for me it is based on my experiences.
The same as you, I'm not terribly fond of the Stevens rifles and that can start quite a riff.  A Ballard, a LW, a HW, a Farrow, a Hepburn, a "Little Sharps",  in this order make my preferred 22 rifles.
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Reply #3 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 12:19pm
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i have a hi wall winder rebarreled with a win.  52c chamber  shoots and functions excellent   art
  
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Reply #4 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 12:30pm
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Watchthewind posted a piece on this forum recently about a CPA 44 1/2 .22LR bench rest rifle he had built. From the targets he posted, it's a real tack-driver. You might do a search to find his posting. That rifle is capable of shooting 250s.
Perhaps he will chime-in on your post?
  

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Reply #5 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 12:55pm
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Thanks RSW I’ll try and find the article. 
GT your point is well taken, I understand that on early Winders the firing pin strike was at 9 O’clock and were later changed to 6 O’clock.
Jlouis, If I got a super deal on a hhiwall  I would mill one side down a’la Pope & Snover.
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Reply #6 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 1:21pm
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Randy,
I say that about Stevens and CPA's and in most games, I chronically get beat by these rifles, even a couple of 44's. Grin Grin

GS,
I have two un-altered HW's one is a musket and second is actually a Winder, both have 6 o'clock fp and extractors.  I don't recall the 9 o'clock fp but that doesn't surprise me either.   These shoot well most of the time, and it's fun to show up with these relics that don't look like anything special, post scores that threaten, and have a good day.
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Reply #7 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 1:38pm
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My High Wall Winder Musket is a joy to shoot, and quite accurate.  It's straight factory, so it might not hang in there with a custom build with match chamber.  It's fine for me.

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Reply #8 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 1:47pm
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Grand slam wrote on Oct 26th, 2021 at 12:55pm:
Thanks RSW I’ll try and find the article. 
GT your point is well taken, I understand that on early Winders the firing pin strike was at 9 O’clock and were later changed to 6 O’clock.
Jlouis, If I got a super deal on a hhiwall  I would mill one side down a’la Pope & Snover.
Thanks guys
Richard


Hey Richard,
I hope today finds you well. I have submitted an article for publication to The ASSRA Journal reporting my review of a CPA chambered in 22 LR. Without spilling the beans I will say the rifle exceeded any expectations I had for it. It may very well be the most accurate 22 LR rifle I have ever owned. (This includes Anschutz, BSA, Cody Ballard, Cooper, C Sharps and Sako rifles.) I have shot plenty of sub 0.5" groups at 100 yards with it. Keep in mind the scope is a MVA 10X silhouette scope not a high magnification benchrest scope.
There is a really nice CPA Benchrest rifle for sale on guns international.com you might want to check out.
Take Care,
Scott
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Reply #9 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 3:18pm
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It is surprising that the name BALLARD hasn't arisen in this discussion.
They are easy to operate and the stock is attached very rigidly, an accuracy consideration.

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Reply #10 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 3:23pm
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Without being biased with my love for the Ballard action; it's probably one of the best for a .22LR match rifle. Easy access to the chamber, and a sliding extractor like the Ballard #3, or a custom like Greg and JerryH have both used on Ballard .22 RF rifles. The sliding extractor is far more positive than any other maker's extractor that pivot, and only withdraws the cases a small amount. The sliding draws the case out further and easy to grasp.
I do own a #1 Rolling Block in .22LR that has a custom sliding extractor modified for it, and it makes a wonderful .22 benchrest rifle.
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Reply #11 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 3:51pm
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I believe Grand Slam wants to build an extremely competitive Benchrest Rifle and is actually looking for personal successful experiences. In regards to being able to go out and to become extremely competitive in very serious Benchrest matches. Over the past 23 years I can only come up with about 5 who I competed with. That have actually achieved that amount of consistent amount of success.
  

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Reply #12 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 4:16pm
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Well I think JerryH is doing extremely well with his heavy barreled Ballard .22LR. But if he isn't then speak up and say so?

You mentioned the Ballard has a "faster lock time based on your personal experience". Just how much personal experience do you have shooting a Ballard? Thought you previously said you'd never owned one and had no interest in a Ballard?
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Reply #13 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 4:31pm
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The worst thing that ever happened to the model 1885 action was the creation of that surround extractor. Over many years I have had freinds bring me .22LR target 
rifles with it that started having missfires because the extractor was so beat out of 
shape it would not support the shell for firing. It probably is the lousiest feature of the 1885. And by the way I am a collector and enthusiast of Hiwall rifles. That was a result of Mr. Winder trying to get lucrative contract for Winchester. Remember these were intended to be training Rifle for the Military. Whenever they had a problem they just ordered and paid for replacement parts. The best extractor is a nine o,clock position that moved straight back by a disconnected
lever that is in the position of where the extractor now sits. It is not struck by the firing pin and is reliable. It is a design used on Ballards at one time and copied 
over for the 1885 by a few custom Gunsmiths. And by the way the Hiwall version is a pain in the butt to load unless you cut down the sidewall as Pope did. Hope this information helps. FITZ OLD TUCK. Wink
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 26th, 2021 at 5:17pm
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I personally don't have any interest in Ballards and I have never owned one. But that does not mean I have not shot several over the past 23 years of competitive shooting. So why is it that you are now questioning my own personal experiences that you have absolutely no knowledge about?
  

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