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Re: Breech seated 22 rimfire
Reply #15 - Oct 20th, 2021 at 5:10pm
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    Only .22 Short, Long or Long rifle cartridges
My interpretation of this is that breech seating is not allowed. I think most shooters feel the same.  I could be way wrong, but, "That's my ruling." until directed otherwise by higher powers.
  

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Reply #16 - Oct 20th, 2021 at 7:48pm
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Okay, fair enough. But how do we go about changing the rules and/or codifying  new techniques?

I'm working on a breech seating project with a Stevens, both rimfire and centerfire, .22LR (yes) and it would be nice to compete with it after the bugs are worked out.
  
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Re: Breech seated 22 rimfire
Reply #17 - Oct 20th, 2021 at 8:05pm
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Section 1.10   Changes to Match and Equipment Rules
Proposed changes to these rules shall be submitted in writing to the Vice-President who will then send copies to members of the Match Committee. If approved by the committee, the proposed changes shall then be submitted to the board of Directors and if approved, they shall be accepted as revisions to these match rules. The revised rules will be published in the Journal.

  The rules are available to all and should be read and well known by all competitors.  You make me feel like a kindergarten teacher.
  

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Reply #18 - Oct 20th, 2021 at 8:41pm
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All though I don't have any personal interest in Benchrest 22 Breech Seating myself. And if there are no current ASSRA or ISSA Rules to support it. I personally would not let it deter me in the very least. Sometimes we tend to get all caught up in all of various Rules. But rules are indeed a must to keep the playing field even for all and rightfully so. But sometimes we also tend to forget about what it is that actually gives a tremendous amount of shooting pleasure. And that is what we should all pursue in life and it just being the love of shooting even if it has to be outside of being competitive with anyone other than just ones self. I would any encourage anyone to go where few have gone before and to then share their successes or the lack there of with everyone else. But that is just me and how I personally feel. 
That is what I actually highly  appreciate about the CBA the free advancement to achieving the ultimate advancement in cast bullet accuracy without any restrictions in the plainbase bullet class.   
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Re: Breech seated 22 rimfire
Reply #19 - Oct 21st, 2021 at 2:02am
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Ledball,
Everything I've ever heard about the Schuetzen game has left the final say up to the Schuetzen Meister, he's it.  I accept that.  Somebody has to step up.
I shoot at several area ranges, same thing - they're not this game but who has the final say?  The guy in charge be it the one that owns the place, the guy put in charge of running things, doesn't matter, what they say is final - try to contest me at my range. 

Jeff, 
Thanks for your patience and clarifying things.  It may be interesting to add things like breech seating 22rf as an option, maybe come up with a particular shoot that allows it?  Somebody should be able to come up with a good name for it?  A 200 yard match so it's not easy if these things turn out to shoot exceptional?  Is there a well known shooter that dabbled in this we could memorialize?  A place?
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Reply #20 - Oct 21st, 2021 at 7:32am
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It seems to me that under the current rules, the worst case scenario would be competing in the centerfire class, where anything other than what is defined a 22, long, long rifle must compete.

  
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Reply #21 - Oct 21st, 2021 at 10:33am
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I have never competed in any .22 match, but will venture a suggestion to how it could be done in a way that should please most folks. (can't please 'em all, anyway).
Here goes; Let it join right in and shoot with the rest of the rimfire competition. Won't be many at first, and may even be the top dog trying to keep his edge- and failing to do so. Then, if it does manage to succeed and draw a crowd, make it a separate match, like is done with the quarter bore. The precedent is already there, and just needs to optioned one more time if necessary. 
I predict, based on nothing more than a guess, that it'll never be a problem to the way things go. The guys that think there is a magic pill for their lesser skills will remain the same, the guy who is already a big winner will soon say it's too much trouble to just end up in the same place, and guys like me and JL will still not shoot the match. Seems worth a try; to me, anyhow.
  
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Reply #22 - Oct 21st, 2021 at 11:04am
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Agree with CF it is not as if Breech Seated 22 Rimfire has an unfair advantage by any means. Probably just the opposite of and with the cost of un-affordable match ammunition for one to be able to be competitive.. Maybe more folks could then come out and afford to compete. I personally don't see a need for a separate match just let them shoot with all of the rest. The only reason I stopped shooting Rimfire competition was because I could no longer afford to buy the match ammunition required to be competitive. And there is a lack of freedom to adjust the less expensive Rimfire ammunition. But Breech Seating would allow one to be able to do just that and to also be able to promote one's self seeking personal accuracy. I also feel it goes hand in hand with Singleshot Falling Block rifles of the same time period as is called out in the Mission Statements by both the ASSRA and ISSA but that is just my own personal opinion. What both those organizations choose to do is simply up to them and as it should be.
  

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Reply #23 - Oct 21st, 2021 at 11:59am
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Since there has been several references to what is or may not be allowed under the ISSA rules, following is the section on ammunition.

SECTION 4 - AMMUNITION
4.1 Bullets must be lead or lead alloy with not metallic gas checks, metallic jackets, metallic plating, or half-jackets. May be loaded either from muzzle or the breech.
4.2 Wads may be card (paper), felt, cork, wax, graphite, plastic, or similar material. Kapock, cream of wheat, cornmeal, or similar material may be used as "filler". (Cotton is flammable and should be used only when there is no danger of fire in the area).
4.3 Fixed ammunition may be used, providing the components are in accord with rule 4.1 and 4.2.
4.4 22RF ammunition may be used in CF matches but may not be disassembled on the range proper, i.e., shooting bench or immediate area.
4.5 Cartridge components may be examined by Schuetenmeister on request.
  

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Reply #24 - Oct 21st, 2021 at 12:12pm
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" 4.4 22RF ammunition may be used in CF matches but may not be disassembled on the range proper, i.e., shooting bench or immediate area. "

Interesting and thanks Randy. The way I read it is if you bring the components, powder, measure, bullets, breech seater and empty cases one would be good to go would that actually be correct? 

  

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Re: Breech seated 22 rimfire
Reply #25 - Oct 21st, 2021 at 12:39pm
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It is my opinion that your question about breech seating .22LR is correct:
"if you bring the components, powder, measure, bullets, breech seater and empty cases one would be good to go"
Before someone goes through the trouble of preparing to shoot .22LR breech seated, you should probably ask the ISSA Schuetzenmeister about it. He (she, zer, zem or whatever gender pronoun is trending that day) should be able to let you know if it will be allowed. The Schuetzenmeister's contact info is on the ISSA website - issa-schuetzen.org/board.html 
Another consideration about component loading .22LR at an ISSA match - the time allotment is 1.8 minutes per shot. So . . . a 50-shot match has only 90 minutes. Center fire matches allow 3 minuets per shots, with a 50-shot match lasting 150 minutes or 2.5 hours (plenty of time for component loading).
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Re: Breech seated 22 rimfire
Reply #26 - Oct 21st, 2021 at 4:48pm
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I don't understand why anyone would want to breech seat rimfire ammo when you can do it so much more easily with a 22 Hornet?
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Reply #27 - Oct 21st, 2021 at 7:13pm
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Just because you have no Interest in doing it. It also does not mean that others also do not Jeff.
  

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Reply #28 - Oct 21st, 2021 at 7:27pm
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Bingo! In order to go where no man has gone before.
  
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Reply #29 - Oct 21st, 2021 at 8:27pm
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Jeff_Schultz wrote on Oct 21st, 2021 at 4:48pm:
I don't understand why anyone would want to breech seat rimfire ammo when you can do it so much more easily with a 22 Hornet?


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