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Oct 19th, 2021 at 6:52pm
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OK, So what’s the verdict on breech seated 22 as far as is it legal to shoot in ASSRA matches? Has anyone had top results with it and if so what are you shooting for load, gun. I believe ISSA does not allow it, but could be wrong. Thanks for any help.
  
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Reply #1 - Oct 19th, 2021 at 8:39pm
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You are referring to 22 rimfire I assume? There was not anything that I recall in the ISSA rules, but from long ago. If some are breech seating in matches, it may have precipitated changes. Although I personally can't see why, and if found so, then just create another class. A friend Neal and I discussed giving it a go, ordered 1000 empty primed cases, but sadly it was not meant to be, Neal passed away before any progress. Hoping to help eliminate the dreaded, unexplained flyer, even in the high end (read expensive) ammunition. I noticed talk on some threads sometime back, and I am sure someone will come forth.
  

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Reply #2 - Oct 19th, 2021 at 9:13pm
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Frnkeor did that at ISSA matches in Spokane.  Must have legal.
  

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Good to know bpjack, thanks.
  

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What about ASSRA?
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 20th, 2021 at 9:57am
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I am mostly responsible for this question being asked, I sent a PM to bnice just asking a few questions about some of the rules regarding setups and a few particulars in this game.  Bob, sent me a copy of the rules for the ASSRA and he's shared some insights - that is very much appreciated.  I know somewhere this info is posted, I've seen it but at this stage of the game, a post Covid event for me, clarity and function is not a real strong point.   

I am blaming high fevers, hallucinations, and weird dreams that go with these symptoms as the root of these thoughts.  Grin  Grin   
I have a rifle build that I am returning to that will be a bench gun and before I dive too deep in this hole, what are the particulars?  Most are answered now, BUT! in the ASSRA matches, 22RF related, what are the rules for breech seating ammo?  BP?  Is there something in print? is it left up to the Schuetzenmiester's discretion at the different sanctioned shoots? 
 
I followed some of Frank's posts on this a while back and he was having some successes with it.  I know he checks in occasionally and may respond, that would be appreciated.  I'm not that deep in it yet, don't have the time and experience with it yet to hold a good discussion.  I count personal experiences and data as important baselines and the place to begin - it's coming, whether it's allowed in matches or not often times doesn't matter once this horse gets headed down the path, personal curiosity wins over.

Insights and thoughts are appreciated, especially from the folks that have the final say here.
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Reply #6 - Oct 20th, 2021 at 10:41am
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Frankore did shoot a breech seated 22 rimfire at one of Modesto's ISSA Regional matches Bob. He also finished in the top three in the Benchrest match. In the past he did share all of his information on this site and if doing a search you might find it. I sat there and watched him shoot that match and I was quite amazed at his results.
  

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Re: Breech seated 22 rimfire
Reply #7 - Oct 20th, 2021 at 11:04am
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This question was visited 20 years ago or so in the ASSRA. At the time it was decided that .22 rimfire was to be shot as fixed ammunition only and then ammunition could not be altered in any way. 
The schuetzen meister can chime in but that was and is my understanding.

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Reply #8 - Oct 20th, 2021 at 11:27am
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Thank you 40_Rod.

This is the kind of responses I'm looking for.  Perfectly understandable.   Hopefully more will chime in regarding their turfs.
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Reply #9 - Oct 20th, 2021 at 2:27pm
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Section 1.13   .22 Rimfire Rifles
.22 caliber rimfire rifles are classified separately and do not compete with the centerfire rifles. Only .22 Short, Long or Long rifle cartridges shall be in this category.
  

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Reply #10 - Oct 20th, 2021 at 2:28pm
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greg got to talking in class monday night about breech seating and loading 22's in a sharps 77 freund caming block with a barrel about an inch and half in diameter, and you should have seen some of the glazed over eyes.  it was funny,but after about 20 minutes some of them understand it.always fun  to see reactions to these old guns from guys who have never seen them, much less shot any of these old guns we love.  looking forward to tonight.    tony <><
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 20th, 2021 at 2:38pm
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It now makes me wonder if the ISSA is also same. Could be Frankore really didn't actually deserve a top three placing at that regional match. But I will always feel that he did and hard earned.
  

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Reply #12 - Oct 20th, 2021 at 3:27pm
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I interpret the ASSRA rule to mean - if it dosen’t say you can’t - you can, but I’m not the one that makes the rules.  Ledball
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 20th, 2021 at 4:34pm
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Jeff_Schultz wrote on Oct 20th, 2021 at 2:27pm:
Section 1.13   .22 Rimfire Rifles
.22 caliber rimfire rifles are classified separately and do not compete with the centerfire rifles. Only .22 Short, Long or Long rifle cartridges shall be in this category.


Jeff, I read that. I'm not trying to be a smart-a$$ but just wanting to be clear.  If I drive 1500 miles and show up at a shoot, it's not in my make-up to only bring one rifle.  I'd probably have several to choose from, most would be acceptable options.  Now in the case that I have a combination that is shooting exceptionally well, I've done my experimenting, my practice, (which is rare), and I'm on my A-game...  Grin whether or not it's allowed I'd probably ask to shoot it anyway -and as a donation pay my fees to play, or play by the rules of the Schuetzen Meister.   
This is getting hypothetical but as Tony just mentioned, there is some new blood that I'm developing in my classes that may be as odd as the instructor.  Grin Grin   
The ammo combination I am using is still considered 22LR - it's just how it's put together...? 

Ledball, I've competed in many other shooting disciplines and my character oddity has caused some issues to be questioned.  That was also a time when youth and I seemed to have something to prove - winning meant the most... NOT the case any more.  Often times some new rules were made because of it.  On an occasion or two, I recall rules were cleared up so that when the condition occurred there were no doubts and level heads prevailed. 
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Reply #14 - Oct 20th, 2021 at 4:53pm
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GT, I understand exactly what you mean, but we’re asking the schuetzen miester to interpret a rule that’s not in the rule book, how can he do that.  Ledball
  
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