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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	This can't be a real Pope barrel, can it? Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 3:58am	Print Post
	.32-40 Stevens barrel on a Borchardt.

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OLD TUCK Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 469 Location: Middleborough MA Joined: Oct 5^th, 2017	Re: This can't be a real Pope barrel, can it? Reply #1 - Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 5:18pm	Print Post
	Pope Barrels made at "Jersey City" were some times stamped that way, BUT! Pope had a one piece stamp that is one piece and so his stamp is all in a straight line. I have a Jersey City Pope in .25 Neidner Krag caliber and it is stamped H.M.Pope. That stamp on the Borchardt is all cockeyed. Hand stamped with single hand held stamps. HTH Regards FITZ OLD TUCK.


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2839 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: This can't be a real Pope barrel, can it? Reply #2 - Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 5:58pm	Print Post
	Maybe???

	ASSRA # 11318 just a bit of a hoot.
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: This can't be a real Pope barrel, can it? Reply #3 - Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 7:12pm	Print Post
	Pope was basically a perfectionist and it would be hard for me to believe that he was actually the one who stamped it. Unfortunately there are those who are trying to make money on something that could be very Fraudulent. Most stamps are actually made as a single piece. They are not individual letters that have to be stamped separately as are these.

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3912 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: This can't be a real Pope barrel, can it? Reply #4 - Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 8:53pm	Print Post
	So what does the rifling look like? Left hand twist?


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: This can't be a real Pope barrel, can it? Reply #5 - Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 9:50pm	Print Post
	Fakes are too common. I just watched a fake Stevens 418 go for nearly $1600 on Gunbroker. I explained this to the seller but he did not change the listing. Somebody's gonna be mighty disappointed (or P.O.'d) if he ever finds out. Will it eventually be sold on, still misidentified as a 418? Inquiring minds want to know. Meanwhile it's caveat emptor.

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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 913 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: This can't be a real Pope barrel, can it? Reply #6 - Sep 24^th, 2021 at 5:14am	Print Post
	uscra112 wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 9:50pm: Fakes are too common. I just watched a fake Stevens 418 go for nearly $1600 on Gunbroker. I explained this to the seller but he did not change the listing. Somebody's gonna be mighty disappointed (or P.O.'d) if he ever finds out. Will it eventually be sold on, still misidentified as a 418? Inquiring minds want to know. Meanwhile it's caveat emptor. I saw the listing on gunbroker, the rifle appeared to be a 7 o’clock model 44 fitted with a 417 1/2 barrel and forearm with a custom pistol grip stock. I was a bit surprised that the bidding went so high. About 25 years ago I saw a stripped Stevens favorite frame that was stamped Pope at a gun show, I assumed that it was a fake.
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John Boy Ex Member	Re: This can't be a real Pope barrel, can it? Reply #7 - Sep 24^th, 2021 at 11:21am	Print Post
	Look at the rifles .. there are Stevens 44’s advertised that are Stevens 44 1/2’s even on the auction sites….


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: This can't be a real Pope barrel, can it? Reply #8 - Sep 24^th, 2021 at 11:31am	Print Post
	I have seen several Barry Darr stamped fakes being up for sale in the past. From Lube Pumps to Barrels. Some have actually been quit convincing but there were certain things that he also did that were also unknown to most for being able to copy.

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: This can't be a real Pope barrel, can it? Reply #9 - Sep 24^th, 2021 at 11:37am	Print Post
	Sure shot wrote on Sep 24^th, 2021 at 5:14am: I saw the listing on gunbroker, the rifle appeared to be a 7 o’clock model 44 fitted with a 417 1/2 barrel and forearm with a custom pistol grip stock. I was a bit surprised that the bidding went so high. That's what I got it as, too. Nice bit of gunsmithing, but that doesn't make it a 418. Usually when I inform a seller that their 44 is not a 44-1/2, or vice versa, they'll thank me and change the listing. It's just that they don't know the difference. Most people don't. Ditto Favorites listed as 44s. Last week I saw a Favorite with a Remington barrel grafted on advertised as a rare Remington Rolling Block, for a price that would be absurd for a #4. I informed the seller, and he pulled the listing. Later relisted it correctly, penny start. But the guy with the "418" never even answered me.
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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: This can't be a real Pope barrel, can it? Reply #10 - Sep 24^th, 2021 at 1:14pm	Print Post
	Well, there's fake Van Goghs, even fake Andy Warhols, fake French Renaissance furniture, and fake stamps and coins, so why shouldn't we have our share?

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: This can't be a real Pope barrel, can it? Reply #11 - Sep 24^th, 2021 at 1:35pm	Print Post
	And why its best to purchase such items especially firearms from a reputable auction house or directly from the owner who should also have its providence. Gary Quinlan is also one who comes to mind as being a totally honest person.

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2839 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: This can't be a real Pope barrel, can it? Reply #12 - Sep 24^th, 2021 at 1:39pm	Print Post
	Pretty sure my Pope $100 bill is real. Jack

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: This can't be a real Pope barrel, can it? Reply #13 - Sep 24^th, 2021 at 3:16pm	Print Post
	Of course it is, but it's not legal tender.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: This can't be a real Pope barrel, can it? Reply #14 - Sep 24^th, 2021 at 3:21pm	Print Post
	But somebody on EBay would probably still buy it!

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