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Myers Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 376 Joined: Mar 5^th, 2013	Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Aug 10^th, 2021 at 5:30pm	Print Post
	Thanks to Dave Patterson for keeping the records straight. I am starting an updated list. Grand Aggregate centerfire scores from the ISSA Nationals (50 shots Scope and 50 shots Irons) 1994 Deane Popma 2441.52 1995 Lones Wigger 2414.62 1996 Earl Hines 2471.74 1997 Tommy Mason 2457.59 1998 Jim Luke 2440.53 1999 Lones Wigger 2454.60 2000 Verl Sigman 2446.52 2001 Jack Odor 2414.46 2002 Jeff Odor 2453.60 2003 Neal Rice 2417.38 2004 Jim Luke 2451.58 2005 Jim Luke 2442.46 2006 Clark Ehlers 2458.66 2007 Jim Luke 2454.62 2008 Dave Patterson 2444.57 2009 Jack Odor 2458.61 2010 Jack Odor 2458.61 2011 Jack Odor 2467.75 2012 Jack Odor 2454.65 2013 Dave Patterson 2447.56 2014 Clark Ehlers 2457.62 2015 Tommy Mason 2447.51 2016 Keith Myers 2460.65 2017 Rick MacHale 2425.38 2018 Keith Myers 2454.59 2019 Jim Luke 2462.62 2020 Cancelled: COVID-19 2021 Keith Myers 2475.75
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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1084 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter Since 1994 Reply #1 - Aug 10^th, 2021 at 6:28pm	Print Post
	Could you explain scoring, How do you end up with partial points?


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2667 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter Since 1994 Reply #2 - Aug 10^th, 2021 at 6:41pm	Print Post
	The number after the decimal is the number of centers (25s)

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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4016 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter Since 1994 Reply #3 - Aug 10^th, 2021 at 7:08pm	Print Post
	Keith Myers set the highest aggregate (50 shot Scope & 50 shot Irons) benchrest score of 2475.75 at the 2021 ISSA Nationals at Raton, New Mexico. Congratulations Keith as being the highest scoring International Schuetzen Benchrest Champion beating Earl Hines record by 4 points. Scope 1237.37 Irons 1238.38 Yes he shot a better score with Irons. Keith could you identify the equipment you used to help out newbies. Keith this is a picture of the Trophy (donated by Accurate Smokeless Powders) you should have earned to keep for the following year. Unfortunately it has disappeared - I believe it is residing at Jack Odors house (since 2009). It would be nice to update this Trophy and bring it back into circulation - add a base so more names can be added.
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Myers Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 376 Joined: Mar 5^th, 2013	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter Since 1994 Reply #4 - Aug 10^th, 2021 at 9:10pm	Print Post
	Jeff_Schultz wrote on Aug 10^th, 2021 at 7:33pm: Do you have a link to the report on the ISSA website? The Schuetzenfest ended last Friday. It usually takes a week or two to view them online.


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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1844 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter Since 1994 Reply #5 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 1:17pm	Print Post
	Great shooting Keith!


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2667 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter Since 1994 Reply #6 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 1:27pm	Print Post
	Here is the link, but the scored for Raton have not been posted yet. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Jack

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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2033 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter Since 1994 Reply #7 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 1:39pm	Print Post
	Thanks Jack, I think they're up there now!


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bnice Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1844 Location: Iowa Joined: Nov 30^th, 2006	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter Since 1994 Reply #8 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 3:38pm	Print Post
	Looking at the Raton bench scores a few others should be added to your list for the 50 shot 100 shot ag. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter Since 1994 Reply #9 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 7:14pm	Print Post
	Being in a one of a time shooting accomplishment club is quite an honor indeed. I truly do congratulate all those who have made it into that club. But how does that make anyone one of the best Benchrest shooters to exist during our own time. Conditions could have been very pleasant and possibly not. So the question is how many times have these Gentleman and also the Gentlewomen actually been in the top three over the past twenty seven years? Or if there had been a Hall of Fame would they have actually made into it. I do know of two both who I have been watching for years and that would probably be Brice and His Wife. Jeff Schultz, Dale, Andy, Jan Pritchard and a few others who also come to mind and I am sure I unfortunately have also left some others out.

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Myers Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 376 Joined: Mar 5^th, 2013	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter Since 1994 Reply #10 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 8:39pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 7:14pm: Being in a one of a time shooting accomplishment club is quite an honor indeed. I truly do congratulate all those who have made it into that club. But how does that make anyone one of the best Benchrest shooters to exist during our own time. Conditions could have been very pleasant and possibly not. So the question is how many times have these Gentleman and also the Gentlewomen actually been in the top three over the past twenty seven years? Or if there had been a Hall of Fame would they have actually made into it. I do know of two both who I have been watching for years and that would probably be Brice and His Wife. Jeff Schultz, Dale, Andy, Jan Pritchard and a few others who also come to mind and I am sure I unfortunately have also left some others out. John, The title has been revised. The list was archived by Dave Patterson. It only refers to the ISSA Schuetzenfest.


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Myers Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 376 Joined: Mar 5^th, 2013	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter Since 1994 Reply #11 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 8:41pm	Print Post
	Schutzenbob wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 1:39pm: Thanks Jack, I think they're up there now! Top class scoring crew.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #12 - Aug 11^th, 2021 at 11:15pm	Print Post
	Thanks Keith and that does make allot more sense!

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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4016 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #13 - Aug 12^th, 2021 at 2:28pm	Print Post
	Pulled this PM from the archives. For some reason it disappeared from view.


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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 691 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter Since 1994 Reply #14 - Aug 12^th, 2021 at 3:54pm	Print Post
	bnice wrote on Aug 11^th, 2021 at 3:38pm: Looking at the Raton bench scores a few others should be added to your list for the 50 shot 100 shot ag. Who's missing? (If someone is, PM me please)


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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #15 - Aug 16^th, 2021 at 4:37am	Print Post
	JLouis, I would suggest that head to head competition is the only legitimate means of determining the "Greatest of all time...". Everyone competes during the same weather conditions, else we could all shoot at home and claim the crown. I reference old PS stories of the Houston Warehouse; where nearly everyone with a 6PPC shot 5-shot groups at 100yds in the zeroes. A sanctioned shoulder to shoulder match legitimizes the groups and scores. respectfully yours, Rich


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1303 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #16 - Aug 16^th, 2021 at 7:18am	Print Post
	I have to agree with Mr. Louis in one respect. Whatever the endeavor, the truly "best" are those who earn that designation repeatedly, some even consistently. As for the rest, they well deserve congratulations and whatever "trophy" comes with; they are the best "of the moment", but not "of all time". Also, Rich's way to determine shooting prowess is not always a valid test. For example, there are those who see Pope in a lesser light for the lame way he backed out of Niedner's shoulder-to-shoulder challenge. But had that challenge been issued when Pope's eyesight and wrist were still strong and his barrel-making skills still formidable, the match would surely have happened and likely still talked about today. Bill Lawrence


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #17 - Aug 16^th, 2021 at 11:12am	Print Post
	Very well put Bill and it would be that type of ongoing consistency that would get one into a hall of fame. But unfortunately we have never established one so there is not a true means of reference for us to now go to. To find out who those folks really are.

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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #18 - Sep 9^th, 2021 at 5:27pm	Print Post
	JLouis, I would suggest that the only worthwhile measure of shooting ability is based on head to head competition at a given match. Every one shoots under the same conditions, and on the clock. Rich


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #19 - Sep 9^th, 2021 at 5:40pm	Print Post
	Totally agree Rich!! But I also feel it is just not a one time outcome or accomplishment but the average over one's entire competitive shooting years. Why my Sports, ASSRA, ISSA and CBA over the past 23+ years have not created a Hall Of Fame based on points is just not comprehendabe to me. The old Timers had a pretty good documented history of their own long term personal accomplishments but why not we?
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11421 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #20 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 6:53pm	Print Post
	How would you go about retrieving and compiling points, John? Sounds like a big complicated job and a lot of us have shot matches all over the states and other countries. Not all clubs have affiliations. Maybe you should start another thread, something like "single shot BR shooters hall of fame", proposal?

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Myers Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 376 Joined: Mar 5^th, 2013	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #21 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 7:20pm	Print Post
	westerner wrote on Sep 10^th, 2021 at 6:53pm: How would you go about retrieving and compiling points, John? Sounds like a big complicated job and a lot of us have shot matches all over the states and other countries. Not all clubs have affiliations. Maybe you should start another thread, something like "single shot BR shooters hall of fame", proposal? Great Idea! Considering this thread was intended for the ISSA Schuetzenfest.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #22 - Sep 10^th, 2021 at 8:42pm	Print Post
	All though it might now take allot of work the scores have been posted here since 2004 and also in the ASSRA Journals. The ISSA I don't believe goes back that far on their web site now. In regards to the CBA Ed Krasny has kept track of them going all the way back to at least 1998. So in short it is not just about the ISSA, ASSRA or the CBA but all of the matches those here have all shot over the years including the Wyoming Schuetzen Union and maybe someone also has access to the records as well?
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #23 - Sep 13^th, 2021 at 10:47am	Print Post
	Allot of these folks are in the BRSA Hall Of Fame and some of them are not but you can still their accomplishments in their Hall Of Fame. This web site is paying tribute to all of those who have now since passed and who were in their sport and they are now not forgotten. Go down to post #185 to see the current list. Some of these folks were also involved in our own sport and some I have also shot with. Its hard to believe just how many are no longer with us and how many we too might have lost. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #24 - Sep 15^th, 2021 at 10:10pm	Print Post
	BPJack someone mentioned Mel Harris on this site and he is actually a member on this site. I have also talked to him in a few PM's just between ourselves.

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2667 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #25 - Sep 15^th, 2021 at 11:51pm	Print Post
	I thought he was on here. Seems to be a very knowledgeable guy. Too bad we didn't get to compete in Spokane in the main centerfire matches. I hope he can make it next year. This time he needs to leave the high temps at home. Jack

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1567 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #26 - Sep 16^th, 2021 at 1:51pm	Print Post
	bpjack wrote on Sep 15^th, 2021 at 11:51pm: I thought he was on here. Seems to be a very knowledgeable guy. Too bad we didn't get to compete in Spokane in the main centerfire matches. I hope he can make it next year. This time he needs to leave the high temps at home. Jack I haven't shot there in a year but Tommy and Bev and others used to shoot plainbase class there. Last match I shot my #1 30-06 breech seat in production class And when Jack Floyd was still with us it used to be a great time hanging out with the Canadians.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #27 - Sep 18^th, 2021 at 6:33pm	Print Post
	Bpjack I just dug out the results from the 2006 CBA National Championship. Mel was shooting the UNR class and he finished up at the top of the list. Mel has always been one to freely share honest information and to me he has been an Icon in the sport. In regards to supporting CBA and another one being my good friend Bob Birmely and his wife. Not sure if I followed what you had to share did Mel shoot at Tommy Mason's match this year.
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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2667 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #28 - Sep 18^th, 2021 at 8:29pm	Print Post
	That was his plan, but he and Steve Barber decided that the heat was too much after the first day which was the .22 and .25 ISSA relays. They were trying to sleep and hang out in the hot 'bunkhouse'. They left shortly after I did mid-afternoon Monday after the day's shooting. Jack

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #29 - Sep 19^th, 2021 at 10:29am	Print Post
	I heard it was pretty hot and was Mel using one of Steve's new Singleshot actions. If not what was he shooting or planning to shoot in the CF Any Sight matches for the week. Nice to hear Mel is also shooting plainbase competition.

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1567 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #30 - Sep 19^th, 2021 at 9:29pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Sep 19^th, 2021 at 10:29am: I heard it was pretty hot and was Mel using one of Steve's new Singleshot actions. If not what was he shooting or planning to shoot in the CF Any Sight matches for the week. Nice to hear Mel is also shooting plainbase competition. I shot with Mel in cba matches 20 plus years ago and also at either the 1996 or 1998 nationals in Springfield .I think he was shooting UNR then. That guy is tough to beat no matter what class he shoots.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #31 - Sep 20^th, 2021 at 4:21pm	Print Post
	Bev Pinney was the National Champion in the CBA Plain Base Bullet Class in 1996 and in 1998. I don't have the results for Mel or what class he shot in.

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1567 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #32 - Sep 20^th, 2021 at 4:53pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Sep 20^th, 2021 at 4:21pm: Bev Pinney was the National Champion in the CBA Plain Base Bullet Class in 1996 and in 1998. I don't have the results for Mel or what class he shot in. Bev is a great guy .he and his wife camped out at my house when I was running some matches .they are just a blast to talk to. It was one of those matches I think I was sharing a bench with Tommy Mason when he shot the 10 shot group recorded a 100 yd. It still stands.


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2667 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #33 - Sep 21^st, 2021 at 6:31pm	Print Post
	My friend John Schauf of Puyallup is tearing up the CBA these days. He holds the 100 yds 5 shot group record with a .161", the 100 yd 5-AGG at .379, and the 100 yd 10-AGG at .486 all in plain base. He also shot a 1245 in the 50 shot match at Tacoma last spring. All with his mold. I have another chance to compete with him this Thursday. I should practice! I have one of his molds to help even the competition. Jack

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1567 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #34 - Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 8:15pm	Print Post
	bpjack wrote on Sep 21^st, 2021 at 6:31pm: My friend John Schauf of Puyallup is tearing up the CBA these days. He holds the 100 yds 5 shot group record with a .161", the 100 yd 5-AGG at .379, and the 100 yd 10-AGG at .486 all in plain base. He also shot a 1245 in the 50 shot match at Tacoma last spring. All with his mold. I have another chance to compete with him this Thursday. I should practice! I have one of his molds to help even the competition. Jack He tore it up today. 399!!


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2667 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #35 - Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 9:14pm	Print Post
	He sure did. I messed up a powder setting and shot my worst score in years. John was on the bench next to me. He is so unassuming that he does not brag about his scores. For you CPA fans, he shoots one in 32-20. Jack

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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1567 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #36 - Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 9:22pm	Print Post
	bpjack wrote on Sep 23^rd, 2021 at 9:14pm: He sure did. I messed up a powder setting and shot my worst score in years. John was on the bench next to me. He is so unassuming that he does not brag about his scores. For you CPA fans, he shoots one in 32-20. Jack I had my Hoch HW 32-40 out today and brought a powder (wc820) I had no data chart for on my bedding and mull.i took a swag with no luck.so I packed it up for another day.


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4016 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Top 100 Shot Benchrest Shooter ISSA Schuetzenfest Reply #37 - Sep 29^th, 2021 at 12:12am	Print Post
	FYI H108 was repackaged surplus Military WC820 - they are the same powder. You can interchange the exact same weight of powder to change from H108 to WC820 to AA#9.


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