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Increasing a bullets dia
Aug 8th, 2021 at 8:05pm
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I would like to increase the diameter of the current bullet I'm using and am looking for suggestions for a simple cheap way to do this, The only power tool I own is an electric drill.
My current bullet is the BACO 400gr money bullet which drops at about .409", I would like to increase this to about .410 if possible and see if it shoots any better at that dia.
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Reply #1 - Aug 8th, 2021 at 8:17pm
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Without having the proper means to do such a thing I would get a chucking reamer of the appropriate size and to just turn it by hand. While also putting abit of pressure on the two mould block halves. If your drill press does not run perfectly true and you cannot control the depth. Mark the inside of what needs to be removed without getting into the grease groove. Just go real slow and keep checking to  insure it is cutting equally on both sides to the best of your abilities. Keep in mind you are only removing a 1/2 a thousandths or possibly + per side so you can't really do much harm.
  

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Reply #2 - Aug 8th, 2021 at 9:18pm
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Check out my video about one way to do it.

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Reply #3 - Aug 9th, 2021 at 9:05pm
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May as well throw in my 2 cents worth.  Does a different Alloy Mix cast a larger bullet?
With just a drill I would drill a hole into a cast bullet and glue in a Finnish Nail, Polish would work also, as a handle and just use some lapping compound.  As Mr Louis said a half thou ain't much.  Lap by hand with constantly changing motion while keeping light pressure on the handles.  Don't need much compound and if your Bullet Lap feels loose cast another and repeat.  Good luck,. David
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 9:35am
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Different alloys do cast larger or smaller.   I can't remember where I found the data, but the harder the bullet the larger the diameter.    For example Lyman 375449:  lead  .3773"; wheelweight .3779"; #2 alloy, .3785"; linotype, .3789".     Probably holds true for other bullets as well.    

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Reply #5 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 11:04am
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if you are shooting b p it will probably make no difference  art
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 12:34pm
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George Babits wrote on Aug 10th, 2021 at 9:35am:
Different alloys do cast larger or smaller.   I can't remember where I found the data, but the harder the bullet the larger the diameter.    For example Lyman 375449:  lead  .3773"; wheelweight .3779"; #2 alloy, .3785"; linotype, .3789".     Probably holds true for other bullets as well.    

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Linotype is alloyed to give the best (largest) size of type when cast, as well as being hard enough for multiple uses.  Other alloys for type are harder and a bit more durable.

  

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Reply #7 - Aug 10th, 2021 at 9:26pm
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Thanks all for the suggestions, What I'm trying to achieve is better bullet alignment on chambering and making the bullet a slightly better firmer fit in the case. I have a batch of 23-1 alloy ready to try, my thinking being that the bullets may bump up better in the chamber. Being cheap by nature I'm reluctant to purchase another mould ( custom ) only to find out it made no difference to my group sizes.
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Reply #8 - Aug 11th, 2021 at 8:04am
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Mick, you could try belling the case mouth just a little bit so that you can feel it drag on the walls of your chamber as you slide ithe cartridge in.
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 11th, 2021 at 9:43am
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I did try that once but the jury's out on whether it made any difference or not. Perhaps I'm just flogging a dead horse with this larger bullet idea, spare time I have plenty of though.
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Re: Increasing a bullets dia
Reply #10 - Aug 11th, 2021 at 10:24am
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If you want to increase the diameter of a bullet without attacking the mould with a power tool, you might go over to the Cast Boolits Forum (their spelling, not mine) and look up the process called “beagling” which was developed by a frequent correspondent who uses beagle as his screen name.  This technique will give you a couple of thousandths increase in bullet diameter without permanent change to the mould.  If you ask for help, there are lots of guys there with experience using this strategy. 

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Reply #11 - Aug 11th, 2021 at 7:59pm
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I will give that a try 
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Reply #12 - Aug 12th, 2021 at 12:43pm
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I have found being larger than the groove diameter works out very well. Myself I like my own bullets being 1 thousandths per-side over the actual groove diameter size.  In all honesty a 1/2 thousandths per-side depending on alloy, casting methods, temperature, shrinkage rates, how the mould is being held closed each time is one that is just damned near impossible to be able to precisely maintain. The more important thing for me is to look if the bullet might be smaller in diameter than the diameter of the freebore. If so the base should be at least 1 thousandths over the diameter of the freebore itself. So at times one might have to overlook the actual groove diameter size. Something has to be guiding the back of the bullet into becoming central to the bore and that is what the freebore and the leade in angle are for. One for the front and one for the back and both are required to establish a proper bullet fit.    
  

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Reply #13 - Aug 12th, 2021 at 1:06pm
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Looked at the Lyman Orange How To Book that came with my Press.  There's a page with different Bullets and Alloys and what changes   Interesting is the Sizing Die and results.  Basically Harder Alloy gives Larger but Lighter Bullets.  David
  
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