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Philtillotson Participating Member Offline Posts: 18 Joined: Oct 10^th, 2019	Need low pressure .32 Win Special load- BSA Cadet? Aug 8^th, 2021 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	Greetings - I am attempting to help my brother get a BSA Cadet shooting again. It is a classic .310 Cadet rechambered to .32 Winchester Special and know it was successfully fired by our friend who rechambered it. We have brass properly prepared and 120 gr cast bullets but can only find load data for 170 gr jacketed rounds over 2100fps. Could anyone please share guidance on an appropriate low pressure load for this fun old rifle? Any help would be greatly appreciated . Cheers -


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singleshotsam Oldtimer Offline Posts: 571 Location: Silver City NM Joined: Jan 15^th, 2009	Re: Need low pressure .32 Win Special load- BSA Cadet? Reply #1 - Aug 8^th, 2021 at 6:57pm	Print Post
	In the years past I had a similar Martini Cadet in 32 Special. It was quite a handful with 170 grain factory ammo. Knowing that my 32-40 Winchester was a dream to shoot I tried loading some 165 grain cast bullets and my 32-40 powder charge. It tamed the recoil down but never was very accurate, probably due to the rate of twist and my too long bullets. Your 120 grain bullets may stabilize fine. You could try starting loads for the 32-40 with the lightest bullet listed and go from there. Good luck with your Cadet, they are excellent little rifles.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Need low pressure .32 Win Special load- BSA Cadet? Reply #2 - Aug 8^th, 2021 at 7:09pm	Print Post
	I would assume you are wanting to shoot fixed ammunition and if not I might be able to help.

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1isenough Full Member Offline Posts: 202 Location: Louisville, KY Joined: Dec 28^th, 2017	Re: Need low pressure .32 Win Special load- BSA Cadet? Reply #3 - Aug 9^th, 2021 at 10:42am	Print Post
	You did not mention the diameter of the bullets you have. Be sure to slug your bore to get the correct bullet diameter. My three range from .318 to .320. I shoot a .321 gas checked bullet (Lyman #321427) from Western Bullet and I size my bullets to .318 for the tighter bore and the other two use .321. These have worked quite successfully in 32-40 using 14g of IMR4227, 15.6g of RL7, 15.3g of IMR4198 and 24.8g of IMR3031. Also, the 100g Lebel bullets (Graf's) make good plinker loads with 4227 and 4198 loaded similar to the above.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Need low pressure .32 Win Special load- BSA Cadet? Reply #4 - Aug 9^th, 2021 at 11:22am	Print Post
	Don't recall exactly what the load was or for but there was a miss-printed Unique powder load in one of the loading manuals that could or did destroy someones rifle. Maybe someone here recalls what it was and what it was for. Just wanted to mention it should you be looking up any Unique powder loads.

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4036 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Need low pressure .32 Win Special load- BSA Cadet? Reply #5 - Aug 9^th, 2021 at 12:51pm	Print Post
	Or was that Bullseye?


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4133 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Need low pressure .32 Win Special load- BSA Cadet? Reply #6 - Aug 9^th, 2021 at 1:40pm	Print Post
	I had a Model 4 Cadet that was rechambered to a .32 Winchester. Kicked like a mule and I knew the pins would not stand the pressure for long. I barreled mine to 218 Bee and love this little lightweight varmint rifle that works great for training the young ones. The twist of the original .310 Cadet barrels (which are rechambered to .32 Winchester) used .323" diameter bullets (not the .321" for .32 Winchester) and had a twist to use 110 or 120 grain bullets. The bullets listed in the .32 Winchester listing are too long for the twist of these Cadet barrels.
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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4036 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Need low pressure .32 Win Special load- BSA Cadet? Reply #7 - Aug 9^th, 2021 at 1:49pm	Print Post
	Just what pins are those, Dave?


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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4133 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: Need low pressure .32 Win Special load- BSA Cadet? Reply #8 - Aug 9^th, 2021 at 2:44pm	Print Post
	Mainly the pin holding the swinging block in the trigger guard plus the pin holding the trigger block into the receiver can have the pins pound out the holes they reside in from excessive recoil pressure. Remember this lightweight rotating block is not encased in a solid metal channel on four sides like a High Wall.
	« Last Edit: Aug 9^th, 2021 at 2:53pm by Schuetzendave »

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4036 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Need low pressure .32 Win Special load- BSA Cadet? Reply #9 - Aug 9^th, 2021 at 3:12pm	Print Post
	Thank you for the explanation.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Need low pressure .32 Win Special load- BSA Cadet? Reply #10 - Aug 9^th, 2021 at 3:27pm	Print Post
	I recall it as being Unique but I could also be wrong.

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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4036 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Need low pressure .32 Win Special load- BSA Cadet? Reply #11 - Aug 9^th, 2021 at 5:35pm	Print Post
	I went searching online for dangerous errors in manuals and found nothing mentioned (especially like the gross error I recalled from the 1960s). The only interesting posting was this: There are mistakes, too. In the Speer #8 manual, some loads were tested with a certain lot of copper crushers and they produced some VERY impressive loads. The problem was that that one lot of crushers came with the wrong tarrage (correction/calibration) tables. We now know some of those loads topped 75,000 psi!


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Cbashooter Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1597 Location: Eastern Wa. Joined: Mar 31^st, 2018	Re: Need low pressure .32 Win Special load- BSA Cadet? Reply #12 - Aug 9^th, 2021 at 6:20pm	Print Post
	oneatatime wrote on Aug 9^th, 2021 at 5:35pm: I went searching online for dangerous errors in manuals and found nothing mentioned (especially like the gross error I recalled from the 1960s). The only interesting posting was this: There are mistakes, too. In the Speer #8 manual, some loads were tested with a certain lot of copper crushers and they produced some VERY impressive loads. The problem was that that one lot of crushers came with the wrong tarrage (correction/calibration) tables. We now know some of those loads topped 75,000 psi! When Bill Caldwell was the ballistics guy at Speer rumor was he loaded until there was no primer when opening the action,then backed off half a grain and used that as a starting load!those old Speer manuals were HOT!


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Hiwall55 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 468 Location: west central Illinois Joined: Jun 30^th, 2012	Re: Need low pressure .32 Win Special load- BSA Cadet? Reply #13 - Aug 9^th, 2021 at 6:47pm	Print Post
	Lyman 3rd edition cast bullet handbook #321427, 137 grain spitzer gas check Unique 8.5 @1445-11.5@1760 I shoot 10 grains of Unique with 165 grain FN in my 1936 marlin as a plinking load at 50 and 100 yds.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Need low pressure .32 Win Special load- BSA Cadet? Reply #14 - Aug 9^th, 2021 at 7:26pm	Print Post
	If memory serves me right I believe it could have been in a Lyman reloading manual but again not sure. Probably should have never even brought it up by not knowing for sure.

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