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BK2015 Newbie Offline Posts: 1 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2021	CC Johnson 22-3000 Jul 29^th, 2021 at 8:45am	Print Post
	I am looking for some more information on CC Johnson 22-3000 rifles. I was helping to clean out my uncles house and came across a rifle barrel with markings of CC Johnson and what looks to be a serial number of 37123. I have a few pictures but the files are too big to post. He had other parts which looked to include a bolt and other parts too. If anyone had any information on ammunition component availability or load data, history, or any other general information that would be great. Thanks!


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: CC Johnson 22-3000 Reply #1 - Jul 29^th, 2021 at 10:18am	Print Post
	There's boatloads of information on the cartridge and about CC Johnson on the Innertubes. Your search engine is your friend, (unless it's Google or DuckDuckGo - better use Startpage or Brave.) Brass is scarce. Best powder today is Lil'Gun. Do not use loads from the '30s and '40s, they loaded to irresponsible pressures back then. Best books are "Practical Dope on the .22" by F.C.Ness, and ".22 Caliber Varmint Rifles" by Charles Landis.

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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1935 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: CC Johnson 22-3000 Reply #2 - Jul 29^th, 2021 at 2:35pm	Print Post
	uscra112 I have no personal interest in duckduckgo, except to say you must have a personal vendetta, I just tried both of the above searches, and had a multitude of responses for each? To include the fact that cases were at one time available from G&H, of which I have quite a number, used as is, or to form 25-20SS.

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: CC Johnson 22-3000 Reply #3 - Jul 29^th, 2021 at 5:30pm	Print Post
	DDG has recently "disappeared" several sites I have searched for. Wyoming Armory for one, Rocky Mountain Cartridge for another. Roberson Cartridge for a third. Not my default search engine anymore.

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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2836 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: CC Johnson 22-3000 Reply #4 - Jul 29^th, 2021 at 7:53pm	Print Post
	rkba2nd wrote on Jul 29^th, 2021 at 2:35pm: uscra112 I have no personal interest in duckduckgo, except to say you must have a personal vendetta, I just tried both of the above searches, and had a multitude of responses for each? To include the fact that cases were at one time available from G&H, of which I have quite a number, used as is, or to form 25-20SS. If you have G&H 22-3000 cases, be aware that their collector value is far in excess of their shooting value. Especially don't reform them to 25-20 SS. That's backwards devaluation. Any diligent hunt will turn up sufficient 25-20 SS brass.


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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1935 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: CC Johnson 22-3000 Reply #5 - Jul 29^th, 2021 at 9:46pm	Print Post
	waterman, Thanks for the advice. That was not the case when I needed them many years ago. There were more G&H cases available then, and not as expensive as original factory 25-20 SS at the time. I was eventually able to round up enough factory brass to satisfy my needs, and save the remaining G&H for a rifle of that cartridge. At times, you just have to do, what you have to do. Damn the torpedoes and full steam ahead!!

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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1935 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: CC Johnson 22-3000 Reply #6 - Jul 29^th, 2021 at 9:53pm	Print Post
	ucra112 Again, just entered all three you had trouble with, all came up, but you are of course welcome to use any search engine you choose.

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gnoahhh Oldtimer Offline Posts: 809 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Joined: Mar 31^st, 2010	Re: CC Johnson 22-3000 Reply #7 - Jul 30^th, 2021 at 10:02am	Print Post
	If you have G&H 22-3000 cases, be aware that their collector value is far in excess of their shooting value. Especially don't reform them to 25-20 SS. That's backwards devaluation. Any diligent hunt will turn up sufficient 25-20 SS brass. [/quote] True, but any brass turned up in any diligent hunt will assuredly be collectible to one degree or another anyway. I'm feeding two R2 Lovells and a .22 Maximum Lovell, as well as a .25-20 Single Shot, so believe me when I tell you I have the pulse of the .22-3000 brass market. I gleefully use "collector" components and have not a trace of regret. The alternative is to retire four grand rifles, and that's not gonna happen. The only thing that determines whether or not I buy any and all such brass that crosses my path is whether I have enough money in my jeans at the moment.


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tim_s Oldtimer Offline Posts: 815 Location: 13066 Joined: Oct 11^th, 2006	Re: CC Johnson 22-3000 Reply #8 - Jul 30^th, 2021 at 6:48pm	Print Post
	Guess I’m lucky since I also have good supplies of G&H brass for my R2. I have had very good results with either 40 Vmax or 37gr Calhoon HP over AA1680 and Sm pistol primers. Both shoot 5/8”-3/4” in a set trigger HW

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: CC Johnson 22-3000 Reply #9 - Jul 30^th, 2021 at 9:11pm	Print Post
	G&H brass ain't all that rare. Seems like there's a box on Gunbroker every month or two. Strike prices around $100/50, which isn't astronomical by any means. Now, .28-30 brass at almost $5.00 a piece.....that's rare.

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: CC Johnson 22-3000 Reply #10 - Jul 31^st, 2021 at 10:02am	Print Post
	The 22-3000 and its more popular cousin the 22-3000 R2 have an interesting history The cartridge design was done by Hervey Lovell who had M.S. Risley grind the reamer. Risley, looked at the drawing and decided that Lovell's design was wrong and made 2 reamers, one as Lovell designed it and the other with a sharper angle as Risley thought it should be. When Lovell showed up Risley offered Lovell his choice. Lovell chose his original design and Risley kept and marketed the other as the R2. As it turns out Risley was right and today most of the 22-3000s that you see are the R2 design, even many of the 22-3000 Lovells that you see have been rechambered to the R2 configuration. 40 Rod


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: CC Johnson 22-3000 Reply #11 - Jul 31^st, 2021 at 12:32pm	Print Post
	Not giving Harvey Donaldson any credit?

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LRF Oldtimer Offline Posts: 591 Location: MN Joined: May 8^th, 2010	Re: CC Johnson 22-3000 Reply #12 - Sep 7^th, 2024 at 2:15pm	Print Post
	I am dredging up a pretty old thread here but; waterman wrote on Jul 29^th, 2021 at 7:53pm: If you have G&H 22-3000 cases, be aware that their collector value is far in excess of their shooting value. Especially don't reform them to 25-20 SS. That's backwards devaluation. Any diligent hunt will turn up sufficient 25-20 SS brass. Today I came into possession of 68ea. G&H 22-3000 head stamped cartridge cases. They are all fired, all in good shape, and appear to have been resize and re-primed. Is there any interest in these out there? I do not have a rifle that will use them.


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25cal Participating Member Offline Posts: 43 Joined: Nov 27^th, 2009	Re: CC Johnson 22-3000 Reply #13 - Sep 7^th, 2024 at 3:07pm	Print Post
	LRF, I am interested, sending you a PM


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