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Crown-C Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 494 Location: St. Marys Kansas Joined: Apr 6^th, 2009	Re: .44-75 Ballard Brass Reply #15 - Jul 29^th, 2021 at 6:57pm	Print Post
	That’s what happens when using old eyes! This time I got out the digital calipers! The head diameter is .620, that’s better! Also the brass length is 2.24 inches, not 2.40. Other measurements are correct. Thanks for pointing it out, I should have double checked. This Farrington cartridge is looking like the 44-77 sharps. I bought this cartridge along with some others a number of years ago. It was labeled as the Farrington, but I don’t know anything about it.
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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3570 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: .44-75 Ballard Brass Reply #16 - Jul 29^th, 2021 at 8:38pm	Print Post
	I can't identify the cartridge, but the "Farrington" label on it is probably to identify the primer. Likely came from a display of the assorted priming systems back when the world was young, you know, B.C. (before covid). It was a primer that used a cup with an anvil inside, but different somewhat from the ones we are familiar with. I rememberd it from the huge collection of Gun Report magazines I own. I could spend a week looking for the exact issue.


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2836 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: .44-75 Ballard Brass Reply #17 - Jul 29^th, 2021 at 9:07pm	Print Post
	The cartridge case on the Farrington is a .44/77 Sharps & Remington. The Farrington reference is to the primer. But the Sharps & Remington case does not look to be the same as whatever the .44/75 Ballard bottleneck might be. The neck on the Ballard cartridge is too short, although the case length, etc. is as close as different manufacturers got in the late 1870s, and then copied more or less with something formed on Basic brass.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16112 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: .44-75 Ballard Brass Reply #18 - Jul 30^th, 2021 at 10:27am	Print Post
	waterman wrote on Jul 29^th, 2021 at 9:07pm: The cartridge case on the Farrington is a .44/77 Sharps & Remington. The Farrington reference is to the primer. But the Sharps & Remington case does not look to be the same as whatever the .44/75 Ballard bottleneck might be. The neck on the Ballard cartridge is too short, although the case length, etc. is as close as different manufacturers got in the late 1870s, and then copied more or less with something formed on Basic brass. I see nothing "bottlenecked" about the .44-75 Ballard cartridge? Nor do I see any reference to a .44-75 Ballard bottleneck case anywhere?

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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2836 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: .44-75 Ballard Brass Reply #19 - Jul 31^st, 2021 at 5:11pm	Print Post
	ndnchf wrote on Jul 28^th, 2021 at 7:41am: Spud - I measured 2 fired cases, this is what I found. As can be seen in the above photo, it has a slight bottleneck. Steve I see a bottle neck in the above drawing and in the photo with the original post, whatever the case is called.


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3570 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: .44-75 Ballard Brass Reply #20 - Jul 31^st, 2021 at 8:21pm	Print Post
	Have we considered that the 'bottleneck' seen in the original post was made from basic brass at some unknown time and with uncertain methods? Perhaps it is simply in an unfinished state that would remove the pitiful flaw with a stiff load of green dot and some cream of wheat? I think it's worth considering.


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ndnchf Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1052 Joined: Mar 6^th, 2014	Re: .44-75 Ballard Brass Reply #21 - Jul 31^st, 2021 at 9:15pm	Print Post
	calledflyer wrote on Jul 31^st, 2021 at 8:21pm: Have we considered that the 'bottleneck' seen in the original post was made from basic brass at some unknown time and with uncertain methods? Perhaps it is simply in an unfinished state that would remove the pitiful flaw with a stiff load of green dot and some cream of wheat? I think it's worth considering. One of the bags is marked "unfired", they have a slight bottleneck. The other bag is not marked "unfired". Those cases have a well defined bottleneck, indicating they were fireformed.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16112 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: .44-75 Ballard Brass Reply #22 - Jul 31^st, 2021 at 9:38pm	Print Post
	There's nothing bottlenecked about the Ballard .44-75 case. As Richard's picture shows it's a simple taper case, not a bottleneck with a shoulder. And John Dutcher's book shows the same case, with no shoulder or bottleneck either. So if your bag of "unfired cases" has a bottleneck, it simply means they're not labeled correctly, as they aren't .44-75 Ballard now that they're bottlenecked cases.

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ndnchf Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1052 Joined: Mar 6^th, 2014	Re: .44-75 Ballard Brass Reply #23 - Jul 31^st, 2021 at 9:41pm	Print Post
	Vall - I agree, not sure what they really are. But I'll save them to reform for some future use - maybe .45-90s or ???


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