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stevens52 Full Member Offline Posts: 222 Location: Fairview,NC Joined: Jun 6^th, 2004	breech seater for original 44 1/2 Jul 15^th, 2021 at 2:11pm	Print Post
	I'd like to see a picture of a workable breech seater for an original Stevens 44 1/2. I'm not sure how to get around that hammer in a decent fashion. Can anyone help?


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3846 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: breech seater for original 44 1/2 Reply #1 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 2:28pm	Print Post
	I'm sure that someone will mention to get a Speed Hammer from CPA (unless maybe you have Double Set Triggers?). Then ask Gail.


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Bulseyetom Oldtimer Offline Posts: 950 Location: Santa Maria, Ca Joined: Oct 31^st, 2010	Re: breech seater for original 44 1/2 Reply #2 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 3:21pm	Print Post
	Now I don't shoot competitively but I have an original 44 1/2 that has been rebarreled to a 25-35 and I have shot it a few times breech seated. I use two plugged cases, one to get it started and one to seat it to where I want it. I got this idea on the forum here when somebody mentioned Paul Shuttleworth was shooting next to him using two plugged cases. I figured if it was good enough for Paul it was damn sure good enough for me! Tom


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: breech seater for original 44 1/2 Reply #3 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 3:34pm	Print Post
	My double set trigger CPA came with the original Steven's type hammer. I put the low profile speed lock hammer on it for breech seating. It is my understanding they will also fit on an original Stevens without having to do any modifications. I would call Gail. If so take a picture of which way the fly is supposed to be installed as it can be put in the wrong way.

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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1084 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: breech seater for original 44 1/2 Reply #4 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 3:58pm	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Jul 15^th, 2021 at 3:34pm: My double set trigger CPA came with the original Steven's type hammer. I put the low profile speed lock hammer on it for breech seating. It is my understanding they will also fit on an original Stevens without having to do any modifications. I would call Gail. If so take a picture of which way the fly is supposed to be installed as it can be put in the wrong way. I am pretty sure a CPA hammer will not work in an original. I do not remember the reason why for certain, memory says that the CPA hammer will not contact enough of the firing pin for reliable strikes on a centerfire.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: breech seater for original 44 1/2 Reply #5 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 4:02pm	Print Post
	You could be right and Gail at CPA would know and only a phone call away. 1-570-828-1669 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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Schuetzendave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Retired Ex-Shooter Posts: 4019 Location: St. Albert, Alberta Joined: Jan 28^th, 2005	Re: breech seater for original 44 1/2 Reply #6 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 5:11pm	Print Post
	Russ Weber shaved the bottom portion of his seater to clear the low profile hammer available for the CPA Rifle - but I do not think the low profile hammer is available for the original Stevens 44 1/2.


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3846 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: breech seater for original 44 1/2 Reply #7 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 5:46pm	Print Post
	I breech seat my 32-40 CPA with an adjustable plugged case. Very easy with a tapered bullet, just like chambering a round. A straight bullet might take 2 plugged cases; one with a slip fit neck with the plug down in the neck to get it started and one normal one to get it seated in the rifling. Closing the block gives about 1/4 inch of seating.


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Statesrights Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 327 Location: Virginia Joined: May 3^rd, 2016	Re: breech seater for original 44 1/2 Reply #8 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 5:50pm	Print Post
	I asked Gail about installing the low hammer in my 44 1/2. She dissuaded me.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: breech seater for original 44 1/2 Reply #9 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 5:52pm	Print Post
	John the CPA Web site does state that it will not fit. But they also have the original hammer for a 441/2 that one could then easily bend the spur himself to be able to accommodate a mechanical seater such as the Weber or other. The original hammer could then be put aside and then re-installed at a later date. They also have the Fly.

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Dellet Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1084 Joined: May 19^th, 2017	Re: breech seater for original 44 1/2 Reply #10 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 8:55pm	Print Post
	CPA hammer on top and left. Note the striking surface difference between the CPA and original 44 1/2 hammer. Bottom photo is a CPA hammer in original 44 1/2. Note the lack of contact with the firing pin.


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sportslube Oldtimer Offline Posts: 532 Location: Eau Claire, wi Joined: May 13^th, 2008	Re: breech seater for original 44 1/2 Reply #11 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 9:15pm	Print Post
	Bill bargloff in Iowa made one for my original 44 1/2 filed it on the bottom side to clear the original hammer


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Smoke Oldtimer Offline Posts: 692 Location: San Diego Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: breech seater for original 44 1/2 Reply #12 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 9:16pm	Print Post
	stevens52 wrote on Jul 15^th, 2021 at 2:11pm: I'd like to see a picture of a workable breech seater for an original Stevens 44 1/2... About 10 years ago I had Russ Weber make me a seater for my 44 1/2. For my first attempt at making it work, I had my gunsmith, the late Doug Knoell, bend the hammer spur down so the seater would clear. The spur broke off in the middle of the Iron Sight Offhand match at Raton in 2016. Back to the drawing board, I had Dougie make me a new hammer with a lower spur and nose that would clear the seater (which also means I can clean the gun from the rear). Then I got a 044 1/2 that I didn't want to change the hammer, and Doug and I put our heads together and designed the seater pictured here. It works without modifying the hammer. I don't know if there is a difference between the 44 1/2 and 044 1/2 in terms of centerline of the bore in relation to the top of the hammer and spur.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: breech seater for original 44 1/2 Reply #13 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 9:21pm	Print Post
	Thank you for sharing it Smoke and I wasn't aware that Doug had passed away.

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830singleshot Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 402 Location: Texas Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: breech seater for original 44 1/2 Reply #14 - Jul 15^th, 2021 at 9:46pm	Print Post
	Smoke I'm not quite sure what your seater is cramming against. Would you mind posting another picture of how it works in your rifle?

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