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scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 542 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Hartford Pope #329 located Jul 4^th, 2021 at 5:20pm	Print Post
	I will soon have Hartford Pope #329. It's a muzzle loader and been in the same family since 1911. I will have it in 5 - 6 days and will post more pics then. For now I have attached a pic and placed arrows next to tools that I am unfamiliar with. Any HELP would be appreciated.
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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 594 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Re: Help identify tools in Pope shooter's kit Reply #1 - Jul 4^th, 2021 at 8:20pm	Print Post
	The long ice-pick looking tool on the right is a pistol cleaning rod by Pope. You can tell by the jag tip at the end. They are not marked. I have one that is similar that came with a Pope barreled S&W Single Shot pistol.
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Tom_Trevor assra life no.71 Oldtimer Offline Tom Trevor Posts: 695 Location: Granada Hills Ca. Joined: Jun 16^th, 2004	Re: Help identify tools in Pope shooter's kit Reply #2 - Jul 4^th, 2021 at 9:12pm	Print Post
	i would say the other tool marked is for the case mouth to straighten if dented. and could be used as well to seat a wad at the case mouth.


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scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 542 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: Help identify tools in Pope shooter's kit Reply #3 - Jul 4^th, 2021 at 11:17pm	Print Post
	Very interesting on the cleaning rod. I wonder what it's worth ?


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1314 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Help identify tools in Pope shooter's kit Reply #4 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:27am	Print Post
	As for the pistol cleaning rod, first, it seems to be barely long enough for a six inch barrel and it also seems to have been remade from the handle end of a Marble's cleaning rod. Bill Lawrence


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Help identify tools in Pope shooter's kit Reply #5 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 10:58am	Print Post
	Scharfe congratulations on this new to you Pope rifle.

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scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 542 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: Help identify tools in Pope shooter's kit Reply #6 - Jul 5^th, 2021 at 6:21pm	Print Post
	Thank you. The Pope is #329 from Hartford and not in the Pope / Hartford books. The owner I got it from says family history is his Great Grandfather got it in 1911. So he was at least the 2nd owner. If the cleaning rod was with a Pope handgun the plot thickens.


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scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 542 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: Help identify tools in Pope shooter's kit Reply #7 - Jul 16^th, 2021 at 9:27pm	Print Post
	The Pope is here and I'm pleased. I'll post pics as time allows. I been told Hartford starters were all made of brass. Mine's aluminum and #'d to the rifle. The barrel is 1/2 octagon the top 3 flats are matted. The round section has 5 additional matted narrow flats. A very attractive feature that I've never seen before. has any one else seen this ?


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Hartford Pope #329 located Reply #8 - Jul 17^th, 2021 at 9:12am	Print Post
	On Winchester barrels and Pope used their barrel blanks.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16269 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Hartford Pope #329 located Reply #9 - Jul 17^th, 2021 at 10:21am	Print Post
	JLouis wrote on Jul 17^th, 2021 at 9:12am: On Winchester barrels and Pope used their barrel blanks. Pope did use a lot of bored barrel blanks from Winchester. But he also bought barreled actions, and complete 1885 rifles too. All of course were final bored to size, and rifled by him.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Hartford Pope #329 located Reply #10 - Jul 17^th, 2021 at 11:47am	Print Post
	I really liked his approach. His focus was on barrel work and not building rifles so he was able to take full advantage of what he was gifted with in his life. Another thing I liked about him was how he was able to accomplish his work with a minimal amount of tools, tooling and machines to work with. He didn't make it out to be a rocket science approach but more of a common sense approach. And a true inspiration for those who also have a minimal amount to work with. Who are actually able to do thier own work not including boring, reaming and rifling a barrel. I have done all of my barrel work including my other self needs including making bullet moulds. With just a very well taken of used and inexpensive 12X37 lathe and a milling attachment and a hand full of files. I now have a real nice BP milling machine but I still cut my extractor slots on the lathe because I am so used to using that same setup and process.

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jfeldman ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 1083 Location: Imperial Beach, Ca Joined: Nov 5^th, 2005	Re: Hartford Pope #329 located Reply #11 - Jul 18^th, 2021 at 11:29pm	Print Post
	Could anyone post a picture of a half octagon/half round barrel that has the five narrow matted flats on the round section? Something I had not heard of before.............. Regards, Joe


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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Hartford Pope #329 located Reply #12 - Nov 24^th, 2021 at 8:58pm	Print Post
	Are we talking "Rigby Flats" like those now available on Shiloh Sharps?


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Hartford Pope #329 located Reply #13 - Nov 24^th, 2021 at 9:09pm	Print Post
	Joe an older competitor who used shoot the Schuetzen matches at our club had one. It was also the only that I have ever seen. He also had one with just flats being matted.

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LarryLee Participating Member Offline Posts: 47 Joined: Aug 23^rd, 2018	Re: Hartford Pope #329 located Reply #14 - Nov 24^th, 2021 at 10:43pm	Print Post
	Isn't the second arrow a breech bullet starter made from a case? Looks like mine? (Which is decidedly not a Pope)


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