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wcf3840 Senior Forum Member Offline ASSRA Life #299 Posts: 357 Location: Palatine Joined: May 28^th, 2007	Possible Pope Krag .22 Jun 20^th, 2021 at 12:24pm	Print Post
	I have a Highwall with a 29.75 inch barrel which measures .980 at the breech and .620 at the muzzle. It's a .22 lr. It has left hand twist rifling. There are no marks on the barrel. I'm wondering if it's one of the Pope Krag barrels. Trying to post pictures.


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wcf3840 Senior Forum Member Offline ASSRA Life #299 Posts: 357 Location: Palatine Joined: May 28^th, 2007	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #1 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 12:27pm	Print Post
	Pictures.


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wcf3840 Senior Forum Member Offline ASSRA Life #299 Posts: 357 Location: Palatine Joined: May 28^th, 2007	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #2 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 12:28pm	Print Post
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wcf3840 Senior Forum Member Offline ASSRA Life #299 Posts: 357 Location: Palatine Joined: May 28^th, 2007	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #3 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 12:29pm	Print Post
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MT Chambers Full Member Offline Posts: 141 Location: Foam Lake, Saskatchewan Joined: Oct 3^rd, 2011	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #4 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 6:42pm	Print Post
	The barrel appears to be badly twisted on the outside, don't know if Pope did this on his barrels.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16269 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #5 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 7:01pm	Print Post
	Think the "twisted" look is an optical illusion. But it also appears the barrel has been threaded off center to make a CF firing pin strike the rim of the .22RF. Something the best old school gunsmiths did when using CF breech blocks with RF barrels.

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wcf3840 Senior Forum Member Offline ASSRA Life #299 Posts: 357 Location: Palatine Joined: May 28^th, 2007	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #6 - Jun 20^th, 2021 at 8:55pm	Print Post
	The twisted look happened when I re-sized the pictures. It is an optical illusion.


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OLD TUCK Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 469 Location: Middleborough MA Joined: Oct 5^th, 2017	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #7 - Jun 21^st, 2021 at 5:17pm	Print Post
	Offset Bore/chamber. Val I agree the bore is offsett. The Bore looks like he took it up to 12:00 so that would mean it strikes on the bottom of the Rim. Does that seem right to you? FITZ, OLD TUCK.


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wcf3840 Senior Forum Member Offline ASSRA Life #299 Posts: 357 Location: Palatine Joined: May 28^th, 2007	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #8 - Jun 21^st, 2021 at 6:42pm	Print Post
	The bore is offset and the firing pin strikes at 6 o'clock. Any speculation about who might have made it would be welcome.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16269 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #9 - Jun 21^st, 2021 at 9:05pm	Print Post
	Yes, they always go either 12 or 6 o'clock, as 9 and 3 would not work. I have one that is also set up for 12 o'clock strike. Guessing more were than 6 o'clock, as that might make the barrel sit above the receiver? Neat part is you could still screw a CF barrel on, and have both work with the same firing pin!

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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1314 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #10 - Jun 21^st, 2021 at 10:33pm	Print Post
	Off-center reboring was also sometimes done for the opposite reason. For example, I have a Stevens .22RF barrel rebored off-center by Pope so that the unmolested rimfire firing pin now discharges .32 Ideal shells just fine. Bill Lawrence


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16269 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #11 - Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 10:30am	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Jun 21^st, 2021 at 10:33pm: Off-center reboring was also sometimes done for the opposite reason. For example, I have a Stevens .22RF barrel rebored off-center by Pope so that the unmolested rimfire firing pin now discharges .32 Ideal shells just fine. Bill Lawrence Does the RF pin leave a rectangle strike on the primers?

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wcf3840 Senior Forum Member Offline ASSRA Life #299 Posts: 357 Location: Palatine Joined: May 28^th, 2007	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #12 - Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 3:46pm	Print Post
	Mine leaves a half moon strike.


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wcf3840 Senior Forum Member Offline ASSRA Life #299 Posts: 357 Location: Palatine Joined: May 28^th, 2007	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #13 - Jun 22^nd, 2021 at 5:18pm	Print Post
	Maybe a better picture.


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1314 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #14 - Jun 23^rd, 2021 at 12:59am	Print Post
	Does the RF pin leave a rectangle strike on the primers? The things I'm sometimes asked. Anyway, I don't have any case with spent primers and it's been a long time since I've handled that rifle - a tip-up model - so I had to go check. And, yes, Vall, the firing pin's nose is indeed a very narrow rectangle, almost blade-like. Is that in some way significant? Bill Lawrence


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16269 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #15 - Jun 25^th, 2021 at 12:10pm	Print Post
	I just was curious if they reshaped the firing pin tip when the conversion was done. Apologies if it upset things by asking.

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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1314 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #16 - Jun 26^th, 2021 at 7:19pm	Print Post
	Not upset in the least, Vall; just curious myself if there was any significance in your question. No one ever asked it before and I had never had even a fleeting thought about checking it. Bill Lawrence


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2845 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Possible Pope Krag .22 Reply #17 - Jun 28^th, 2021 at 3:31am	Print Post
	wcf3840 wrote on Jun 20^th, 2021 at 12:24pm: I have a Highwall with a 29.75 inch barrel which measures .980 at the breech and .620 at the muzzle. It's a .22 lr. It has left hand twist rifling. There are no marks on the barrel. I'm wondering if it's one of the Pope Krag barrels. Trying to post pictures. If it is a Pope barrel for a Krag, it will have a barrel shank 0.750" long with a diameter of 0.980" and square threads, 10 T.P.I., with a diameter of 0.940" at the bottom of the threads. The Krag barrel is also 0.980" diameter at the action. IIRC, a Highwall action requires a shank 0.850" long and 0.935" diameter, with 16 V-shaped T.P.I. So maybe it once was one of the Pope Krag barrels, but no longer. The threads for the Krag were removed to adapt the barrel to a Highwall. Is there a 3- or 4-digit number stamped crossways under the forearm?


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