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Reply #15 - May 29th, 2021 at 6:04pm
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Even with its obvious flaws, would it be possible to buy an original DST 44 1/2 action, have it barreled and stocked for about $2000? From that standpoint, it seems a reasonable price.
My biggest issue with the rifle as a possible shooter, is the poor fit of the butt stock to action at the wrist. The description does not mention barrel length, that could be another issue. It certainly is not a collector piece.
  

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Reply #16 - May 29th, 2021 at 7:15pm
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Randy, it now says that it is 30 inches and 30 inches of a barrel that heavy is a hefty offhand load.
  
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Reply #17 - May 30th, 2021 at 12:41am
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I'm quite sure those colors were not applied with a torch. 
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Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right
Reply #18 - May 30th, 2021 at 9:56am
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CW wrote on May 29th, 2021 at 4:23pm:

The barrel stamp (upside-down) makes me wonder if the barrel was re-timed or for some reason set-back? It would be interesting to see what is marked on any of the other flats and/or under the forearm.  No one would normally mark a barrel that way.


If you've seen many original Stevens rifles, you'd notice a large number with the rollstamp upside down. It's always puzzled me why Stevens did them upside down? I think the roll stamp might be original, but the caliber maybe not.
  

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Reply #19 - May 30th, 2021 at 11:48am
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A friend had quite the original Stevens collection and I have never seen a roll stamp placed there on any of his original rifles. The caliber marking also looks a bit odd. Its as if the barrel was re-fitted to the action and it needed to be rotated to have the roll stamp placed back into the correct position. But as RWS stated if it doesn't sell for to much it could end up being a real nice buy. 
I once owned a Stevens Pope 044/1/2 28-30 and the only caliber marking was nicely engraved on the side of the extractor. My collector friend said that was how some of them were marked. The roll stamp was on the top of the barrel and that is why it makes me wonder how this barrels caliber was actually marked. And or if the barrel had been improperly re-fitted to the action being shown. I also don't understand picture 39 of 40 showing two different caliber barrels. Was the one on the right the original barrel and the 38-55 possibly then improperly added. I can't figure that one picture out and I didn't see it mentioned unless I inadvertently miss something that might have also been there.
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Reply #20 - May 30th, 2021 at 12:29pm
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Here’s a factory 44 1/2 Stevens barrel that has the address stamp on the right flat and caliber stamp on the left flat, it was factory drilled and tapped for scope blocks. I have found that the extractors were sometimes stamped with the caliber, serial number, or the mysterious EX.
  
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Reply #21 - May 30th, 2021 at 12:41pm
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Here’s my 45-44 1/2 .28-30 that was re-bored from.22 LR. It was color cased by CPA. The barrel was factory drilled and tapped for scope blocks also.
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Reply #22 - May 30th, 2021 at 12:54pm
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JLouis wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 11:48am:
A friend had quite the original Stevens collection and I have never seen a roll stamp placed there on any of his original rifles. 


Surprising that if his collection was of any size at all that he'd not have at least a few with the upside down stamp on that right side 45 flat.
My own collection was pretty meager and I had a couple. Seen many more in friend's Stevens collection.
  

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Reply #23 - May 30th, 2021 at 1:45pm
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Vall he once had a very extensive collection of original Stevens rifles. All of the various Models and calibers Stevens offered at the time. And of special features that various customers could order at the time and all in pristine condition. He started collecting back in the 70's and has since sold most of his collection off not wanting to leave that burden to his wife or to his children and understandable so. So that every item that went to each individual rifle also went with that rifle and not separated from that at times is unfortunately done.
  

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Reply #24 - May 30th, 2021 at 2:06pm
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Sure shot very nice looking rifle. Those I have seen that were D&Ted. for scope blocks had the roll stamp on the left flat. And thanks for sharing yours with it actually being on the right. As the saying goes we learn something new everyday.
  

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Reply #25 - May 30th, 2021 at 2:07pm
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In  the photo archive that accompanies my Model 44 database I believe I can find a few with the address stamped upside down.
  

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Reply #26 - May 30th, 2021 at 2:11pm
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ballardhepburnmich wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 12:41am:
I'm quite sure those colors were not applied with a torch. 
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How do you think it was done, then?
  

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Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right
Reply #27 - May 30th, 2021 at 3:37pm
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I asked the seller a question about the rifle on gunbroker, he said that the serial number on the barrel does match the frame. I also asked if he knew who did the color case hardening, he replied that he didn’t know, and that he has owned the rifle for 14 years.
  
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Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right
Reply #28 - May 30th, 2021 at 4:05pm
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I also don't understand picture 39 of 40 showing two different caliber barrels.

My educated guess is that beyond claiming it measures 1.25" wide at the muzzle (and is clearly wider than the action at the breech end), the seller is trying to convey by comparison just how large his rifle's uncommon full-octagonal barrel is.  However, if it really is a factory # 6 barrel. it's truly rare, since the largest barrel Stevens ever cataloged was a # 5.

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Reply #29 - May 30th, 2021 at 5:55pm
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uscra112 wrote on May 30th, 2021 at 2:07pm:
In  the photo archive that accompanies my Model 44 database I believe I can find a few with the address stamped upside down. 


Glad to hear I'm not the only one whose seen these upside down rollstamps on Stevens.
First one I owned was a Stevens 44 in .44-40, and when I showed it to a friend who was an avid Stevens collector, and mentioned this "mistake"; he laughed at my comment. Said he could show me a bunch more, and next time I was at his house he pulled out 6 or 7 marked upside down on the 45 degree flat.
  

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