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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right May 29^th, 2021 at 4:57am	Print Post
	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Is this a "case" of "oxy-acetylene case colors"?

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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 913 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right Reply #1 - May 29^th, 2021 at 6:37am	Print Post
	I don’t know how the color hardening was done, agree it doesn’t look right. I think it’s a beautiful rifle though. The 38-55 stamping on the top flat doesn’t look factory. The seller does say it was a restoration. However, the seller doesn’t show or say if the serial numbers match on the barrel and frame.


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Bent_Ramrod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1467 Location: Southern Arizona Joined: Feb 8^th, 2006	Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right Reply #2 - May 29^th, 2021 at 8:22am	Print Post
	That’s what you get from CPA when you send them your old action for re-casehardening. They do their own actions the same way. To me, it’s going Stevens one better. The classic marcelled effect, but never to excite the comparison with the finish on a budget single-barrel shotgun. But a classicist might think of it as too much of a good thing.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16269 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right Reply #3 - May 29^th, 2021 at 10:06am	Print Post
	I doubt you could get the defined colors and striping that gun has with a torch. It also think it looks like what CPA does on their guns.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right Reply #4 - May 29^th, 2021 at 10:18am	Print Post
	CPA's Colors are quite abit different and more attractive than what is being shown.

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bluesman Full Member Offline Posts: 192 Location: Paradise, California Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right Reply #5 - May 29^th, 2021 at 10:18am	Print Post
	Somebody spent a boatload of money and a lot of work restoring that rifle....It would probably be a lot less startling if the photos were done without flash. I'm about to embark on building one for myself and I've been wrestling with how far to go with wood selection and finishing....I dislike the extreme look of "new" case colors, especially when it fights with beautiful walnut. That barrel stamping in the wrong place really looks weird!


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right Reply #6 - May 29^th, 2021 at 10:25am	Print Post
	Here is an example of CPA' s work and as you can see it is quite different. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right Reply #7 - May 29^th, 2021 at 10:33am	Print Post
	Somebody did spend allot of money on the restoration but unfortunately is quite abit different from an original.

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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1314 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right Reply #8 - May 29^th, 2021 at 10:48am	Print Post
	Many years ago, I produced similar "case colors" using a propane torch and Oxpho-Blue amd Tru-Brown browning solution applied with a q-tip. It came out quite nice, but I was also going for a mottled effect rather than stripes. In any case, I can't think of any way to quench that would get stripes that random and in some cases quite far apart. Therefore, on one hand, I'm betting the subject colors were done by an experienced torch wielder. On the other, and speaking just for myself, I could live with them. As for the barrel stamps, the ".38-55" is clearly new and on the wrong flat. The company stamp is a little washed out (etched rather than stamped?) and is also one flat over from where it should be - unless a scope was originally factory-mounted? Bill Lawrence
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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 913 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right Reply #9 - May 29^th, 2021 at 11:07am	Print Post
	I’ve had CPA recolor case 4 Stevens frames, they look exactly like the action in the picture JLouis posted. My first thought on the barrel stamping was that it was factory drilled and tapped for scope blocks, but no evidence of holes in the pictures, and the 38-55 should be on the left flat. I would also guess that the rifle would have to weigh at least 15 pounds or more.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right Reply #10 - May 29^th, 2021 at 11:18am	Print Post
	One could live with it if the reserve and the end selling price is not high. CC's look like some attempt at pack harding that I have also seen similar too in the past.

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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right Reply #11 - May 29^th, 2021 at 1:36pm	Print Post
	Somebody will buy it, I suppose. But not one of us.

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50target Full Member Offline Posts: 135 Location: Alabama Joined: May 27^th, 2014	Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right Reply #12 - May 29^th, 2021 at 2:49pm	Print Post
	Don't forget that the set trigger doesn't work. Go to all the time, effort, trouble & expense and don't finish the job. Not sure I would use the word restoration for this one. Certainly above average however.


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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 913 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right Reply #13 - May 29^th, 2021 at 3:49pm	Print Post
	It’s up to $1900, but the reserve hasn’t been met. I would be interested in it if it had a lighter weight barrel, I think it would be too heavy to shoot offhand. The double set triggers could just need a little adjustment, but I guess one doesn’t know.


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CW Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 495 Joined: Feb 20^th, 2018	Re: Aomething about this 44-1/2 doesn't look right Reply #14 - May 29^th, 2021 at 4:23pm	Print Post
	Steven's color case is of the cyanide type in tiger strip. The case on the subject receiver looks to be the correct general pattern attempted but has the color of Bone and Charcoal color case. Not cyanide. Tho - It is attractive IMO. The barrel stamp (upside-down) makes me wonder if the barrel was re-timed or for some reason set-back? It would be interesting to see what is marked on any of the other flats and/or under the forearm. No one would normally mark a barrel that way.


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