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JSB30 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 395 Location: Missouri Joined: Apr 30^th, 2011	ATF May 11^th, 2021 at 9:32am	Print Post
	How many have seen the proposed rules for Personal Manf Firearms. I f I read it right any kit a person completed or has in their possession must be registered and serial numbered by an FFL I assume this idncludes 80% frames and casting kits. New proposed rule 2021R-05


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16157 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: ATF Reply #1 - May 11^th, 2021 at 10:23am	Print Post
	Does this rule affect guns built prior to the rule's initiation date? Not sure, but would assume rules like this usually only affect firearms built after acceptance date?

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Amoretti Full Member Offline Posts: 209 Location: thermopolis, Wy Joined: Nov 2^nd, 2009	Re: ATF Reply #2 - May 11^th, 2021 at 10:32am	Print Post
	I hope this new law doesn't pertain to casting sets for old single shot type rifles. Would also be really bad if this pertains retroactively to those guns. Seems like a violation of ex post facto rules. John


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: ATF Reply #3 - May 11^th, 2021 at 10:52am	Print Post
	Only the beginning of many more to come.

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JSB30 Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 395 Location: Missouri Joined: Apr 30^th, 2011	Re: ATF Reply #4 - May 11^th, 2021 at 10:56am	Print Post
	Anything post 1968 will be required to be serial numbered with a FFL. Sounds like they will create a new FFL license to do this.


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Bulseyetom Oldtimer Offline Posts: 960 Location: Santa Maria, Ca Joined: Oct 31^st, 2010	Re: ATF Reply #5 - May 11^th, 2021 at 11:04am	Print Post
	Not being a machinist I have no horse in this race but my thought is that since you are manufacturing a firearm, that should come under the rules of the ATF that require a license to do so. The rules on what is an antique are really vague to me. My interpretation is that a modern replica of a rifle that ended production before 1899 and is in a caliber that ammunition is not readily available would mean that a new Shiloh Sharps 1874 in 44-77 should be exempt but Shiloh will not ship one to you without going through an ffl I understand. What is the difference between that and somebody building say a Borchardt in 40-50 SS from a kit? Should the maker of the Borchardt receiver need to register it? I would think so but the water is just as clear as the Mississippi during spring floods. The Gun Control Act of 1968 was written 53 years ago. I would think that it is time to update it but would be afraid as to what the updates would be. I would think that all of the rolling blocks, the Stevens 44 and 44 1/2 line, and the Winchester 1885's should be considered antiques by now. Dumb but happy as always. Tom


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j_c_johnson Full Member Offline C C Johnson's grandson Posts: 122 Location: northeast Indiana Joined: Sep 16^th, 2004	Re: ATF Reply #6 - May 11^th, 2021 at 11:57am	Print Post
	The best update to the GCA of 68 would be complete abolishment. The 2nd Amendment in unambiguous. ANY firearm law is infringement.


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: ATF Reply #7 - May 11^th, 2021 at 12:06pm	Print Post
	Agree and Biden is trying to appoint an anti 2nd. amendment friend to become the head of the ATF. This in order to force the lefts agenda onto law abiding citizens.

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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 908 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: ATF Reply #8 - May 11^th, 2021 at 12:55pm	Print Post
	I think they just want to eliminate people from building AR15’s from kits, without serial numbers, the so called ghost guns. I’m guessing that if rifles that are already built aren’t grandfathered in, that the new rules will be ignored by most people.


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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1755 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: ATF Reply #9 - May 11^th, 2021 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	I believe that up until now, a person could build a gun FOR HIMSELF/His own use. But it would have to be serial numbered and I suppose run thru an FFL dealer ONLY if Sold....????? beltfed/arnie


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: ATF Reply #10 - May 11^th, 2021 at 1:32pm	Print Post
	I think it will go well beyond just that but no matter what they do it will not by any means be constitutional. And that alone should be the most concerning to all of us and what they are now trying to do away with. We either have our constitutional rights or we do not there is no fine line. It is and always has been very simply spelled out and for all to easily understand. But they would have we the people try to believe it is well beyond its time and in need of dire change.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: ATF Reply #11 - May 11^th, 2021 at 1:41pm	Print Post
	Beltfed that is the way it used to be but I believe Calif. now requires that everything has to be registered without exception. Even if a firearm is being handed down to someone in the family and or purchased pre I believe it to be 1968. When one could walk into a gun show and sell or buy a firearm and then to just simply walk back out and take it home.

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j_c_johnson Full Member Offline C C Johnson's grandson Posts: 122 Location: northeast Indiana Joined: Sep 16^th, 2004	Re: ATF Reply #12 - May 11^th, 2021 at 2:11pm	Print Post
	I have waded through the proposed regulations, and they would make ANY firearm kit receiver subject to being serialized, not just AR type rifles, and would require background checks at time of sale of uncompleted receivers. That means uncompleted single shot receivers too. Also , most semiautomatic pistol slides will meet the new definition of receiver and must be serialized too.
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: ATF Reply #13 - May 11^th, 2021 at 2:24pm	Print Post
	The below is well worth watching and he is also someone to call on if in need of such services. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: ATF Reply #14 - May 11^th, 2021 at 2:32pm	Print Post
	I know politics are not allowed but hopefully because this concerns us all hopefully it can also stay at least for awhile.

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