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moodyholler Oldtimer Offline Posts: 720 Location: Blue Ridge Joined: Oct 11^th, 2005	Low wall in 25-20 SS Mar 20^th, 2021 at 12:15pm	Print Post
	52k serial, long tang buttplate, 28" #2 barrel, marked 25Wcf, but, chambered in 25-20 SS!, neat little rifle and a neat anomaly. Anyone else seen one mismarked? Thanks, moodyholler


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Ray_Newman Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 274 Location: Washington State Joined: Jul 13^th, 2004	Re: Low wall in 25-20 SS Reply #1 - Mar 20^th, 2021 at 2:28pm	Print Post
	I have a Winchester M1885# 67xxx, marked 25-20 WCF, but chamber is a .25-20 Single Shot. Winchester #3 half octagon to half round barrel. Receiver color cased. Nickel/German silver prong butt plate. Winchester windgage with spirit level front sight and Winchester tang sights. Maddis' book sez made in 1893. Barrel was drilled and tapped for scope.

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kootne Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 476 Location: Libby, Mt. Joined: Mar 6^th, 2012	Re: Low wall in 25-20 SS Reply #2 - Mar 20^th, 2021 at 4:36pm	Print Post
	All the 25-20SS Low Walls were marked 25-20 WCF untill Winchester started making 1892's. Then they changed to calling their cartridge the WCF and the original the SS.

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beltfed Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1821 Location: Central Wi Joined: Dec 20^th, 2007	Re: Low wall in 25-20 SS Reply #3 - Mar 20^th, 2021 at 4:46pm	Print Post
	I , too had an example of the Win LowWall "25-20WCF"/actually a 25-20 SS Stevens- ctg designed by Rabbath. Not all that uncommon in Low Walls. Another case in which Winchester kind of took over another company's cartridge as their own. Like: 38-55 Ballard/Marlin "aka" 38-55 Win 32-40 Ballard/Marlin "aka" 32-40 Win. beltfed/arnie


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uscra112 Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4079 Location: Switzerland of Ohio Joined: May 7^th, 2007	Re: Low wall in 25-20 SS Reply #4 - Mar 20^th, 2021 at 5:07pm	Print Post
	Somewhere I still have a Winchester barrel that was on a High Wall, chambered .25-20 Stevens, and marked only "25 20" (no WCF). Took it off because it shot patterns no matter what I did.

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HELP Participating Member Offline Posts: 30 Location: pennsylvania Joined: May 21^st, 2011	Re: Low wall in 25-20 SS Reply #5 - Mar 20^th, 2021 at 6:32pm	Print Post
	just went and dug one up #2 barrel 28" long pat. date oct 7 79 ser. # 50738. and it shots very well


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George Babits Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1144 Joined: Sep 27^th, 2012	Re: Low wall in 25-20 SS Reply #6 - Mar 20^th, 2021 at 9:18pm	Print Post
	My low wall wasalso marked 25-20 WCF, but there was no doubt about it being a 25-20 SS. That one was made in 1889. I think after about 1892 or 3 Winchester probably started marking them 25-20 (SS) or 25-20 WCF. That would have been after they came out with the shortened 25-20 for the Model 1892. George


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Aussie_Hunter Full Member Offline Posts: 198 Location: Hervey Bay,Queensland Joined: Jul 7^th, 2008	Re: Low wall in 25-20 SS Reply #7 - Mar 21^st, 2021 at 7:07am	Print Post
	I now have two 25-20SS Low Wall 1885's with patent date 7/1879, both of which have just 25 20 with no nomneclature stamped under the bbl. One is serial no 112963 , and the other is serial no. 119404, both are hex bbls. I hadn't thought about the apparent conflict/omission, most interesting!!


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Cat_Whisperer Frequent Elocutionist Offline No 1, 9.3x74R Posts: 3982 Location: Mountains of Virginia Joined: Apr 17^th, 2004	Re: Low wall in 25-20 SS Reply #8 - Mar 21^st, 2021 at 8:50am	Print Post
	Aussie_Hunter wrote on Mar 21^st, 2021 at 7:07am: I now have two 25-20SS Low Wall 1885's with patent date 7/1879, both of which have just 25 20 with no nomneclature stamped under the bbl. One is serial no 112963 , and the other is serial no. 119404, both are hex bbls. I hadn't thought about the apparent conflict/omission, most interesting!! Since you have TWO, do you have enough to share?

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AZshot Full Member Offline Posts: 215 Location: Desert Southwest Joined: Nov 29^th, 2016	Re: Low wall in 25-20 SS Reply #9 - Mar 22^nd, 2021 at 12:21pm	Print Post
	I also have a circa 1902 Low Wall in 25-20 Single Shot. But it's marked 'S.S.' behind the numbers on the top flat.


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Bert_H. Full Member Offline Posts: 145 Location: Kingston Joined: May 13^th, 2004	Re: Low wall in 25-20 SS Reply #10 - Mar 22^nd, 2021 at 2:07pm	Print Post
	moodyholler wrote on Mar 20^th, 2021 at 12:15pm: 52k serial, long tang buttplate, 28" #2 barrel, marked 25Wcf, but, chambered in 25-20 SS!, neat little rifle and a neat anomaly. Anyone else seen one mismarked? Thanks, moodyholler Your low-wall is not mismarked. Winchester marked all of the pre-1895 Single Shot 25-20 Single Shot rifles with "25 W.C.F.". It was only after Winchester introduced the 25-20 W.C.F. (repeater) cartridge that they began marking them "25-20 S.S.". I discussed this specific topic in a recent article I published in the WACA Collector magazine, "The Model 1885 Single Shot Rifle Calibers and Cartridges" Bert H.

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Bert_H. Full Member Offline Posts: 145 Location: Kingston Joined: May 13^th, 2004	Re: Low wall in 25-20 SS Reply #11 - Mar 22^nd, 2021 at 2:13pm	Print Post
	Ray_Newman wrote on Mar 20^th, 2021 at 2:28pm: I have a Winchester M1885# 67xxx, marked 25-20 WCF, but chamber is a .25-20 Single Shot. Winchester #3 half octagon to half round barrel. Receiver color cased. Nickel/German silver prong butt plate. Winchester windgage with spirit level front sight and Winchester tang sights. Maddis' book sez made in 1893. Barrel was drilled and tapped for scope. If the barrel on your high-wall is marked 25-20 W.C.F., it is not original. S/N 67000 was manufactured March 10th, 1894, and S/N 67999 was manufactured July 12th, 1894. All S/Ns in the 67000- 67999 range were manufactured before the 25-20 WCF cartridge as introduced. Bert H.

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Bert_H. Full Member Offline Posts: 145 Location: Kingston Joined: May 13^th, 2004	Re: Low wall in 25-20 SS Reply #12 - Mar 22^nd, 2021 at 2:19pm	Print Post
	Aussie_Hunter wrote on Mar 21^st, 2021 at 7:07am: I now have two 25-20SS Low Wall 1885's with patent date 7/1879, both of which have just 25 20 with no nomneclature stamped under the bbl. One is serial no 112963 , and the other is serial no. 119404, both are hex bbls. I hadn't thought about the apparent conflict/omission, most interesting!! Interesting... both should be marked "25-20 S.S. on the left side of the barrel in plain view. The caliber markings on the bottom of the barrel would be just "25-20". The barrels are octagon (8-sided) versus hexagon (6-sided). Do they both have a standard 28-inch No. 1 barrel ? Bert H.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Low wall in 25-20 SS Reply #13 - Mar 22^nd, 2021 at 3:43pm	Print Post
	Is it safe to assume that the same holds true for Winchester lever guns. Growing up I shot one in 25-20 SS and some say it had to be a 25WCF instead but was not.

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Aussie_Hunter Full Member Offline Posts: 198 Location: Hervey Bay,Queensland Joined: Jul 7^th, 2008	Re: Low wall in 25-20 SS Reply #14 - Apr 1^st, 2021 at 5:22pm	Print Post
	Cat Whisperer, I now have three, they seem to breed !! May have to neuter them ?? or just shoot them all.


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