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Tight RF Chamber
Mar 11th, 2021 at 8:12pm
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I’m curious about a 22LR Douglas barrel I got with a CPA rifle.  I know there are many of you who shoot CPA rimfire barrels. I bought this rifle with a 38-55 and 22 LR barrels but due to some orthopedic issues just today made up the rim fire barrel to test. On any of my match Bullseye pistols and rifles the rounds drop right in. Even my Hammerli with tight match chamber slips right in but not this CPS chamber. With Ely and RWS ammo you really have to push hard to force the round enough to chamber and the the breach block takes it from there. Did I get a worn out reamer ?  Chamber is very clean so is this normal and if so what’s  the drill cause it feels wrong.   

  
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Reply #1 - Mar 11th, 2021 at 8:54pm
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My old low wall with a Stevens Pope barrel does that for two reasons. One is a short chamber that engraves the bullet in the rifling.  I had misfires because of that due to a headspace issue. A new (old) breechblock now fully seats the round but the rim recess is not deep enough and the block closing VERY slightly crushes the case.  It shoots so accurately that I am not making any changes. You can try coating a round with Dykem or magic marker to see where it is hitting, but i would see how well it shoots first.  There is some RWS short case ammo that is available. 

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Reply #2 - Mar 11th, 2021 at 9:01pm
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If CPA chambered it maybe they can tell you which reamer was used. That may tell you if it is chambered for a certain brand of 22. Just a thought!
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 11th, 2021 at 9:22pm
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I don't have an answer to your question but I can say a few things that might help.

I have a CPA 22rf from 2009. Outstanding rifle. Very accurate. Gail told me they chamber 22's with a piloted reamer ground to the Winchester 52 spec.  So, do ALL CPA's have this chamber? Not sure.

Mine chambers match ammo like Eley and RWS tight and often it comes out hard after firing too. BUT, it does go in and come out and is accurate as anything.

You might call her if you think yours is unreasonably difficult.
  
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Reply #4 - Mar 11th, 2021 at 9:29pm
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My cpa (shilen barrel) requires the breech block cam action to chamber a round as well. I have shot all different brand ammo and eley and rws are 2 of the tighter rounds. Shoots very well if i do my part. Without the cam action it would be a bit of a tussel to seat each round which soinds like the same case as yours. Hard to know your situation without seeing the gun, loading and comparing to mine but I think you are good to go. Mine definitely cams in tight. 
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Reply #5 - Mar 11th, 2021 at 9:42pm
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Thanks folks you’ve given me the kind of direction I need. I’ll call CPA for some info and will certainly black my bullets for evidence of engraving which I’m sure there is, or hope so
  
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Reply #6 - Mar 11th, 2021 at 9:53pm
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Realize semi autos for sure and i believe pistols as well will have different chamberings even when considered "match".   
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Reply #7 - Mar 11th, 2021 at 10:13pm
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My 22 cpa chambers the same.id have it no other way
I've shot my smallest 100 yard .22 LR groups of my life with this rifle.
  
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Reply #8 - Mar 12th, 2021 at 2:34am
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I know of two CPA rifles that had defective extractor fitups. The extractors stuck up into the chamber so the breech block had to force a shell into the chamber subsequently damaging cases. One was sent back to CPA but returned with no repair. Dave Casey finally corrected the problem. 

My rifles have Clymer match chambers that engrave the rifling on the bullet. Ammo can be pushed all the way in with a finger or thumb.
  

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Reply #9 - Mar 12th, 2021 at 10:39am
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My Cody Ballard is a Schoyen model with Badger barrel and match chamber. Much shooting results in a sore thumb from pushing the cartridges in. I still rely on the action to finish seating them, and they come out slightly easier. But I keep a90 degree needlenose plier handy to grab the cases to remove them.
It's an extremely accurate rifle, so I never cared to do anything to change the tight chamber.
  

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Reply #10 - Mar 12th, 2021 at 11:07am
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I would check what Joe had mentioned about the extractor possibly being a wee bit higher than the chamber cut. Not the front edge the back edge. As it rotates back to insert a case or to extract a case that back edge also gets taller. If that is the case and it binds the case. Just carefully file some back bevel on the extractor until it clears.
  

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Reply #11 - Mar 12th, 2021 at 11:31am
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Barrel is removed so no extractor interference. I just blacked three different brands of ammo and the bullets are certainly engraving and nicely. Since most rimfires don’t have a gradual ogive but a shoulder instead,  the lands leave pronounced grooves.  The more I look at this chamber the more I like it. Can’t wait to swap breach blocks and go shoot but it’s blowing like snot here in Western MI.
  
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Reply #12 - Mar 12th, 2021 at 11:48am
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If you have not seen the number of different reamers available for 22 LR before, it is interesting.
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 12:56pm
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Have owned three Anschutz Rimfire and now two CPA .22 barrels. All chamber tight all very accurate.

One Anschutz a 1712 tight chamber gave me a fit Rimfire Silhouette. Would not shoot a 40 shot match & extract every case. Shot with a cleaning rod handy. May be accurate won’t extract you can’t shoot a match.

Sent it back to Anschutz gunsmith called me and said it extracted fine. Questioned he admitted he ran a few through it did not make a long run. Then blamed it on my ammo. Was using RWS R50 & told him what I thought of him the rifle. He polishes the chamber sends it back, still fails to extract, better not 100 % sold it shortly after.

Reason I relate the story tight chambers & accurate rifles often need some tweaking & it’s very much trial and error. Never had any problem with my CPA rifles but they are strong seaters & have adequate extractors. 22 bolt actions often very little extracting power. Even the best bolt Guns can give trouble with poor ammo. My Grandson was shooting my 1922M2 Springfield last week two had to be knocked out with a rod. Cheap ammo culprit.

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Reply #14 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 2:05pm
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Agree with Boats whole heartedly, the vintage style of single shots  with most extractors will extract from a tight chamber and usually shoot well.  on another note, I have a 40X with a very tight chamber and it surpasses accuracy of most of my vintage SS's, but extraction is frequently a problem.  I can generally reach in and remove the shell with a fingernail...  On a 52A I recently purchased, similar issues, tight chamber - great accuracy, extraction is poor on all ammo I've tried so far, including center-X. The great shooting 22's I have seem to grave the bullets starting with the Jersey City Pope Ballard so that has been my method of builds.
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