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I need some help identifying some Stevens Tip-Ups
Feb 13th, 2021 at 2:44pm
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I bought an estate several years ago that had hundreds of gun parts, partial receivers, and almost complete guns. I have slowly worked my way through it and have identified most of it. I have even made quite a few shooters out of the pile of parts. I set things aside that I wasn't sure of back then and now I'm going back through those parts. I have four Stevens Tip-Ups of different sizes and configurations. They are mostly bare receivers with very few parts. I thought I would post some pictures and measurements to see if anyone could help identify what they are. I believe the three larger ones might have been shotguns because they have a round notch in the top of the receiver that might have been for course sighting. The smallest one is different, it has a flat top receiver and no upper or lower tang. Here is a picture of all four.
  
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These two pictures are of the largest receiver. It measures 1.10" between the walls that the barrel sits in just in front of the breech face. It measures 1.535" wide on the outside across the breech. It is approximately 4.50" long from the rear of the receiver at the firing pin hole to the front edge of the receiver.It has serial number 86 on the inside surface near the end of the lower tang. The lower tang is broken and has a very old rivet holding it on.
  
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These two pictures are of one of the medium sized actions, it is the one with the complete unbroken lower tang. It measures 1.10" between the walls that the barrel sits in just in front of the breech face. It measures 1.375" wide on the outside across the breech. It has serial number 2657 on the inside surface near the end of the lower tang. It is approximately 4.20" long from the rear of the receiver at the firing pin hole to the front edge of the receiver.
  
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These two pictures are of the other medium sized action. It has the lower tang broken off about half way back and it is missing so I don't have a serial number. It measures 1.080" between the walls that the barrel sits in just in front of the breech face. It measures 1.38" wide on the outside across the breech. It is approximately 4.25" long from the rear of the receiver at the firing pin hole to the front edge of the receiver.
  
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The last two pictures are of the smallest action. It has no upper or lower tang. There are some numbers on the back of the receiver where the upper tang would be on a normal one. They are so faint I can't make out what they are. The also seems to be very small writing below the numbers but I have tried every magnifier I have and can't tell what they are. It measures 0.882" between the walls that the barrel sits in just in front of the breech face. It measures 1.20" wide on the outside across the breech. It is approximately 4.32" long from the rear of the receiver at the firing pin hole to the front edge of the receiver.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 13th, 2021 at 4:55pm
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The small action has all the hallmarks of a "Hunter's Pet" pocket rifle EXCEPT that it doesn't have a spur trigger, which to the very best of my knowledge all such do have.  More importantly, it doesn't have any place to mount a mainspring.  Is there any evidence that "tangs" have been very carefully removed?  If so, it wouldn't surprise me if Stevens made a smaller and lighter weight tip-up rifle for the ladies based on the "Hunter's Pet" frame but with a conventional trigger.  Unfortunately my Stevens catalogs and brochures don't go back far enough to definitively say.

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Reply #6 - Feb 13th, 2021 at 5:27pm
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I measured my 2 tip up rifles, they measure 1.375” on the out side of the frame. The barrel channels are about 1.02”, hard to measure with calipers with the barrel in the way, and with the barrel width at 1”. Hopefully someone has a ladies model tip up, and a shotgun they can measure for you. My reprint catalogs have ladies models 11,12,13,and 14 listed .
  
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MrTipUp wrote on Feb 13th, 2021 at 4:55pm:
The small action has all the hallmarks of a "Hunter's Pet" pocket rifle EXCEPT that it doesn't have a spur trigger, which to the very best of my knowledge all such do have.  More importantly, it doesn't have any place to mount a mainspring.  Is there any evidence that "tangs" have been very carefully removed?  If so, it wouldn't surprise me if Stevens made a smaller and lighter weight tip-up rifle for the ladies based on the "Hunter's Pet" frame but with a conventional trigger.  Unfortunately my Stevens catalogs and brochures don't go back far enough to definitively say.

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I thought the tang could have been removed at first too. However when I examined the rear of the frame it has specific angles that are machined on both sides that are different from the rest of the frames. There are also traces of nickel plating on the surfaces where the tang would have been. It was definitely machined that way and plated without the tangs in place. Whether it was done originally or afterwards is the question. I looked all over it for a way to mount a grip or stock and I can't figure out how they would have mounted it or a mainspring.
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 13th, 2021 at 7:04pm
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Here's another picture of the small one. It shows the angle milled into the rear of the receiver. You can also see the nickel plating on the side of it as well.
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 13th, 2021 at 7:56pm
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On the small action, is there any evidence of a though bolt hook-up?  That would take care of the stock, leaving us with the mainspring/trigger spring problem.  Some kind of internal coil spring set-up?  Or flat spring that somehow works both the hammer and the trigger?  I've seen cap pistols, for example, that had such an arrangement as the latter.

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Reply #10 - Feb 13th, 2021 at 8:28pm
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I can't see anyplace where a through bolt could connect. It doesn't have any extra holes and there is nothing inside that anything could grab onto.
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Is there an extractor stub in the barrel channel or at least the threaded hole for it?  (I'm beginning to think the small "action" was never actually part of a working gun.)

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Reply #12 - Feb 14th, 2021 at 5:36am
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If the extractor linkage is missing there would be a threaded hole for it in the barrel channel in the bottom of the frame.
That frame is certainly a head scratcher!
  
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Reply #13 - Feb 14th, 2021 at 8:05am
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There is a threaded hole for the extractor stub. There is also wear on the breech face and at the back of the hammer slot. There is also evidence of a trigger guard being mounted. It was a working gun at some point, before or after having tangs. Why would someone nickel plate it after removing the tangs if it rendered it unusable? If it was not used there would be little wear to the finish and I would expect most of it to still be there.
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 14th, 2021 at 12:07pm
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So it did have a trigger guard.  But if there's only one hole for it, that's another indicator that at least a lower tang is missing.  So I'm back to my original surmise: a smaller, lighter-weight tip-up rifle using the same frame forging/casting as did the "Hunter's Pet" pocket rifle.  And what makes you so sure it was plated AFTER the tang(tangs) was(were) removed?

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