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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1672 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester Feb 11^th, 2021 at 4:40pm	Print Post
	Found this barrel a while back and noticed it was for an 1894 Winchester takedown. Was Harry buying barrels from Winchester for lever guns and then rifling them himself? We know he got them for 1885's. Not a single shot I know but he seems to be in much of the conversation lately. Bob


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scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 534 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester Reply #1 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 4:51pm	Print Post
	I like it. It's a barrel a deer would be proud to be killed with.


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Myers Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 380 Joined: Mar 5^th, 2013	Re: H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester Reply #2 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 7:26pm	Print Post
	scharfe wrote on Feb 11^th, 2021 at 4:51pm: I like it. It's a barrel a deer would be proud to be killed with. LOL


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oodmoff Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 276 Location: colorado springs Joined: Jan 12^th, 2009	Re: H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester Reply #3 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 8:46pm	Print Post
	Oh honey....yes dear..... (very nice find btw, thanks for sharing!)


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terry buffum Full Member Offline Posts: 146 Location: Bend, Oregon Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester Reply #4 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 8:59pm	Print Post
	I remember seeing listing for a '95 Winchester with Pope barrel. .30-06, I think.

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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1309 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester Reply #5 - Feb 11^th, 2021 at 10:47pm	Print Post
	After all, Pope himself much enjoyed hunting, specializing in woodchucks, if I remember correctly. Bill Lawrence


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ballardhepburnmich ASSRA Board Member Offline Posts: 598 Location: Scotts,mi. Joined: May 20^th, 2015	Re: H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester Reply #6 - Feb 12^th, 2021 at 1:34am	Print Post
	He also killed a lot of deer too. Lee Gibbs pres.ASSRA


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16111 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester Reply #7 - Feb 12^th, 2021 at 10:24am	Print Post
	Is it actually a .32-40, or is it a larger bore now? Since it has Winchester's VP proof stamp, it seems to indicate it left the factory chambered for the .32-40 cartridge, and not just bored as Pope used on 1885 barrels. So likely it's rebored, and rifled by Pope to a larger bore?

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40_Rod Frequent Elocutionist Offline Extremism in the persuit of accuracy is not a vice Posts: 4285 Location: Knoxville, TN Joined: Apr 20^th, 2004	Re: H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester Reply #8 - Feb 15^th, 2021 at 12:37pm	Print Post
	Pope did buy drilled barrels from Winchester and reamed and rifled them. Asd on occasion the Custom shop would order a barrel from Pope (The Ittle rifle is an example) If I had to guess Id speculate that a gunsmith at sometime removed a Pope barrels from a Schuetzen rifle to turn it into a varminter. That was not unusual at the time. Because it was a good barrel the smith put it aside and when a customer came in with a 32 caliber lever gun he set it back re chambered it and out the boor it went. Pope did enjoy hunting and was an avid deer hunter. He always said if you were hunting you didnt need a Pope barrel. He backed that up by using a Winchester High Wall in 30-40 Kraeg just the way the factory sent it. 40 rod


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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester Reply #9 - Feb 15^th, 2021 at 2:44pm	Print Post
	If I remember right Pope killed quite a few deer or I should say all of the deer he shot were one shot kills with the exception of maybe one with his 30-40 Krag HW and claimed it to be the very best hunting cartridge on the market at that time. If memory also serves right he also killed some elk with that rifle back at that time and having the same results. Its been so long back since I have read about his hunting experiences I hope I got allot of this right.

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scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 534 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester Reply #10 - Feb 15^th, 2021 at 8:34pm	Print Post
	They are fiction but I do remember the Pyne stories. One of these stories had him hunting with an 1878 sharps in 38/72.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16111 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester Reply #11 - Feb 16^th, 2021 at 4:44pm	Print Post
	40_Rod wrote on Feb 15^th, 2021 at 12:37pm: Pope did buy drilled barrels from Winchester and reamed and rifled them. Asd on occasion the Custom shop would order a barrel from Pope (The Ittle rifle is an example) If I had to guess Id speculate that a gunsmith at sometime removed a Pope barrels from a Schuetzen rifle to turn it into a varminter. That was not unusual at the time. Because it was a good barrel the smith put it aside and when a customer came in with a 32 caliber lever gun he set it back re chambered it and out the boor it went. Pope did enjoy hunting and was an avid deer hunter. He always said if you were hunting you didnt need a Pope barrel. He backed that up by using a Winchester High Wall in 30-40 Kraeg just the way the factory sent it. 40 rod Since this barrel still has original Winchester markings, plus the Pope markings, I don't see how either would exist if it had been recontured? And the "VP" marking would indicate it was chambered, rifled, and proofed at Winchester, so had to be a finished barrel before it left there. I'd still like to know if it's a .32-40 still, or maybe bored, and rifled by Pope to maybe .38-55, or something other than the original caliber?

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terry buffum Full Member Offline Posts: 146 Location: Bend, Oregon Joined: Feb 11^th, 2007	Re: H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester Reply #12 - Feb 17^th, 2021 at 9:23pm	Print Post
	I'm with Marlinguy in asking what this barrel is now bored/chambered to accept. From the markings, it is no longer a .32/40. Is it a .38/55 or perhaps a wildcat .35?

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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1309 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester Reply #13 - Feb 17^th, 2021 at 11:14pm	Print Post
	Maybe it's a .33-47? Bill Lawrence


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 16111 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: H.M. Pope And The 1894 Winchester Reply #14 - Feb 17^th, 2021 at 11:35pm	Print Post
	MrTipUp wrote on Feb 17^th, 2021 at 11:14pm: Maybe it's a .33-47? Bill Lawrence I don't think it could go from .32-40 Win rifling to .33-47 and Pope rifling. Likely have to be a larger bore of at least .35 caliber.

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