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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1415 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock--a second one Feb 9^th, 2021 at 11:51am	Print Post
	Found these pictures a few days ago so thought I'd show them here. They were taken by a friend so I never had digital copies of it but now I do.
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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1415 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Not a cartridge gun! Reply #1 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 11:52am	Print Post
	One more

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Not a cartridge gun! Reply #2 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 12:01pm	Print Post
	A rifle as good as it gets and with all of the charm seldom found. Thanks for sharing it!

	" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11421 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Not a cartridge gun! Reply #3 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 12:11pm	Print Post
	Rumor has it, there's a flint shortage. Is that possible? No. Nice rifle!

	A blind squirrel runs into a tree every once in a while.
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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1303 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Not a cartridge gun! Reply #4 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 12:24pm	Print Post
	Flintlock long rifles were the first firearms I loved. So I take my hat off to the maker of that fine rifle, bobw, and I hope it was you. Bill Lawrence


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Fritz Oldtimer Offline Posts: 516 Location: Texas Joined: Jun 27^th, 2008	Re: Not a cartridge gun! Reply #5 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 12:37pm	Print Post
	Beautiful workmanship and well executed.Hardley ever see the flintlocks anymore.I still look at my Kindig and Hutsler books occasionally.


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3846 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Not a cartridge gun! Reply #6 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 12:41pm	Print Post
	Double wow!


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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1415 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Not a cartridge gun! Reply #7 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 1:14pm	Print Post
	Bill, yes this is my build. The barrel, lock, butt plate and trigger guard are not mine (I have no casting equipment) but everything else is made by me. Stocked from a blank of curly maple. Getz barrel in 45. Westerner, no shortage of flints here! If there were I have a friend that can chip them out. Thanks everyone. I do appreciate the comments.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #8 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 3:15pm	Print Post
	Bobw have you taken any game with the rifle or won any matches with it. And you do beautiful work!

	" It Is Better To Now Have Been A Has Been Than A Never Was Or A Wanna Be "
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #9 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 4:11pm	Print Post
	I'm not very knowledgeable on ML rifles, but that's absolutely stunning! It has so much character, and warmth to the look! I've got a .40 caliber Vincent with a Bill Large 4 J's barrel, and that's the only ML rifle I have.

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Gunfunpow Full Member Offline Posts: 239 Joined: Jun 20^th, 2018	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #10 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 5:06pm	Print Post
	WOW!! Nice job on that build, came out beautiful. Congratulations on some fine craftsmanship.


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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1415 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #11 - Feb 9^th, 2021 at 6:27pm	Print Post
	Thanks again everyone for the kind words! Marlinguy, I always said I would not make anymore than one of a gun style. But, I have built 3 vincents, one for myself, another for a family member and the last for very good friend but only because he just about begged me to do it. They are all based off the measurement from an original. John, no, this gun has not been shot. It was built for my grandkids and one of them will be the first to shoot it if they choose to. I have a 32 and a 50 that I shoot.

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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #12 - Feb 10^th, 2021 at 9:43am	Print Post
	Nice to hear its for the grandkids! I have handed down firearms to my son and one each to my grandsons. One of the great grandsons got a Red Ryder BB Gun and the youngest two are just starting to walk.

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oodmoff Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 276 Location: colorado springs Joined: Jan 12^th, 2009	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #13 - Feb 12^th, 2021 at 6:23pm	Print Post
	whooo purdy!


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #14 - Feb 12^th, 2021 at 11:50pm	Print Post
	bobw wrote on Feb 9^th, 2021 at 6:27pm: Thanks again everyone for the kind words! Marlinguy, I always said I would not make anymore than one of a gun style. But, I have built 3 vincents, one for myself, another for a family member and the last for very good friend but only because he just about begged me to do it. They are all based off the measurement from an original. I believe the one I have is also based on an original? It was built by Ron Scott here in Oregon for a friend of mine.

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John Boy Ex Member	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #15 - Feb 13^th, 2021 at 9:52am	Print Post
	Bob, a big tip of the hat ... the rifle is gorgeous The workmanship on Pennsylvania Rifles then and now, are the same quality that are put into the making of Schuetzen Rifles


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S99VG Oldtimer Offline Posts: 501 Location: CA Joined: Feb 1^st, 2020	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #16 - Feb 13^th, 2021 at 11:48am	Print Post
	Very very nice!


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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1415 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #17 - Feb 15^th, 2021 at 11:43am	Print Post
	Thanks again everyone.
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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1415 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #18 - Feb 15^th, 2021 at 11:49am	Print Post
	I believe the one I have is also based on an original? It was built by Ron Scott here in Oregon for a friend of mine. [/quote] Marlinguy, Ya, I would bet it is being built by Ron Scott, he is a very good builder. Pretty sure I met him a few years ago in Bowling Green at the longrifle seminars and I believe he teaches a class there now. Bob

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ESG89 Participating Member Offline Posts: 13 Joined: Dec 20^th, 2020	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #19 - Feb 23^rd, 2021 at 2:52pm	Print Post
	Very nice work! Excellent rifle, I am sure your grandkid will love it


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condorsc Full Member Offline NRA Life/Benefactor, ASSRA, SCV Life Posts: 142 Location: Beaufort, S.C. Joined: Nov 13^th, 2021	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #20 - Apr 17^th, 2022 at 10:34pm	Print Post
	Gorgeous work. Is that a Siler lock?


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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1415 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #21 - Apr 17^th, 2022 at 11:18pm	Print Post
	Yes. And thank you.

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ISS Oldtimer Offline Posts: 570 Joined: Feb 24^th, 2013	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #22 - Apr 18^th, 2022 at 1:52am	Print Post
	Glad to see I am not the only ML fan here. I have a couple flinters in the gunroom, a Zihn, a Bergmann., and a GL Jones. The John Bergmann is a full stock flinter in the style of Jacob Hawken. If you look at the Track of the Wolf catalog, there are pictures of a J Hawken built by John. I had him replicate it last year. I traded into a Bill Large .50 cal barrel with a percussion snail breech plug a while back, and John is going to replicate the basic rifle I have in percussion as an early full stock J&S. Rich


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Redrighthand Full Member Offline Posts: 204 Location: New Liberty Iowa Joined: Jan 24^th, 2021	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #23 - Apr 18^th, 2022 at 12:03pm	Print Post
	Nifty. I've built a few of those myself.

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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1415 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #24 - Apr 18^th, 2022 at 4:25pm	Print Post
	Mike……if that nifty is for my gun I’m going to have your comment printed, in a large format, and framed. Bob

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Redrighthand Full Member Offline Posts: 204 Location: New Liberty Iowa Joined: Jan 24^th, 2021	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #25 - Apr 18^th, 2022 at 4:27pm	Print Post
	bobw wrote on Apr 18^th, 2022 at 4:25pm: Mike……if that nifty is for my gun I’m going to have your comment printed, in a large format, and framed. Bob Yep, that nifty was aimed right at you!

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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1415 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #26 - Apr 18^th, 2022 at 6:29pm	Print Post
	Then I’ll get the printing press going and the frame ordered by postal! Thanks

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3536 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #27 - Apr 19^th, 2022 at 9:51am	Print Post
	Just the same as Dan'l Boone christening his rifle 'ol Bettsy', I believe your rifle just found it's name. A fitting one, too!


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1303 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #28 - Apr 19^th, 2022 at 9:41pm	Print Post
	"Ol' Betsy" was Crockett's rifle, not Boone's; but point made is a good one. Bill Lawrence


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sureshot Senior Forum Member Online Posts: 296 Location: Snohomish Joined: May 27^th, 2007	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #29 - Apr 19^th, 2022 at 11:19pm	Print Post
	Didn't D. Boone call his rifle Ol' Tick Licker or something like that? Steve


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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3536 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #30 - Apr 20^th, 2022 at 3:36pm	Print Post
	thanks fer the correction. I sometimes mix things up like that. Anyhow, the beautiful rifle here is 'Nifty' for me.


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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1415 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #31 - Apr 20^th, 2022 at 8:26pm	Print Post
	And the rest of the story! Anytime Mike gives a ‘Nifty” for a gun that is built, it’s an honor! Last I saw he had 400 guns built! He also teaches. Bob

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dave_j Full Member Offline Posts: 246 Location: Nevada desert Joined: Jul 12^th, 2005	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #32 - Apr 20^th, 2022 at 9:31pm	Print Post
	a very pretty flinter for sure! i own a rifle made to replicate a late Hawken which was made by a builder in Oregon i think. ! !/8 inch barrel .54 cal. it is a beast but has won me some nice prizes and it still puts them center. My second love tho is my custom trade gun, no sights, no rifling,no set trigger, it has built in alibys. an aluminum can at 25 yards does not have a prayer. and there is something about that flash before the bang that is priceless. lets show more on here

	ah heck AA#9,4227,300MP, as long as it goes bang
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S99VG Oldtimer Offline Posts: 501 Location: CA Joined: Feb 1^st, 2020	Re: Not a cartridge gun! Reply #33 - Apr 22^nd, 2022 at 2:39am	Print Post
	oneatatime wrote on Feb 9^th, 2021 at 12:41pm: Double wow! And I’ll double that!


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1303 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #34 - Apr 22^nd, 2022 at 6:13am	Print Post
	I've loved flintlock long rifles for as long as I can remember, say 5 years old or so. If I've ever seen a more enticing one, that I can't remember. Bill Lawrence


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Grand slam Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 337 Location: Mountains of E. Tennessee Joined: Jun 7^th, 2015	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #35 - Jun 3^rd, 2022 at 1:51am	Print Post
	Bob, that is a very beautiful rifle, very tastefully executed, fit and finish first rate. Congratulations! Cheers Richard


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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1415 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock Reply #36 - Jun 10^th, 2022 at 8:16pm	Print Post
	Thanks for all the comments! Bob

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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1415 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock--a second one Reply #37 - Aug 13^th, 2022 at 11:58pm	Print Post
	This was the 5th gun I built, finished in 2004. I never really had good pictures of it until now. I had given it to a very good friend that did a lot for me. He passed away last year and the gun is going to a family member. The family loaned it to me in order for me to get these pictures. I know it's not a cartridge style single shot, but it is an important gun to me and wanted to show it. Brass and silver inlayed wire. Engraving and Incised carving. Modified, cast trigger guard and butt plate. The rest of the brass and silver mounts, along with the trigger are hand made by me. Thanks for looking. Bob
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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1415 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock--a second one Reply #38 - Aug 14^th, 2022 at 12:02am	Print Post
	Few more. Photo are all by a good friend, Euvonne Sheridan Hickey.

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Sure shot Oldtimer Offline Posts: 890 Location: East central Iowa Joined: Jun 22^nd, 2020	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock--a second one Reply #39 - Aug 14^th, 2022 at 3:50am	Print Post
	One word, WOW!


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1303 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock--a second one Reply #40 - Aug 14^th, 2022 at 4:57am	Print Post
	Two words: wow, WOW! Bill Lawrence


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Crown-C Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 487 Location: St. Marys Kansas Joined: Apr 6^th, 2009	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock--a second one Reply #41 - Aug 14^th, 2022 at 8:10am	Print Post
	A beautiful work of art!

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Redrighthand Full Member Offline Posts: 204 Location: New Liberty Iowa Joined: Jan 24^th, 2021	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock--a second one Reply #42 - Aug 14^th, 2022 at 9:15am	Print Post
	Classic Bucks County. VERY nice. I have castings of that trigger guard if you want to make another. What caliber is it?

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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1415 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Not a cartridge gun! But a flintlock--a second one Reply #43 - Aug 14^th, 2022 at 12:15pm	Print Post
	Thanks everyone. Mike, it’s a 40. He was older and just shot targets and steel. Although he never shot this gun. Might take you up on one of those guards sometime. I would really like to make another one of these but don’t know if I have it in me to make everything again, especially the entry pipe and extension. Bob

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