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RSW
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Pope style rifling or conventional?
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Randy,
Ron Smith barrel is 1.170 x 1.045 32 inch S taper..C moly..R H 16 twist
Stamped 3195 ...6 grove ...looks like conventional rifling to my eye.
Boots barrel is 1.240 x 1.210 28 inch ST taper ...C Moly...threaded for something...stamped 311 3216...5R rifling...RH 15 twist
Also have a Ken Bresien 32 barrel...1.185x930 octagon St taper 32 inch ...RH 15.5 twist ...8 grove. Ken made nice barrels but I dont think it's pope style either.
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Roger
Thank you for offering those barrels. I'll pass on them though. The whole point of this exercise from my prospective is to acquire a barrel with Pope type rifling. I want to do some very specific shooting tests with such a barrel.
I already have an RKS barrel on my BR rifle and that sucker really shoots. So I'm not in need of another barrel with conventional type rifling.
I appreciate you taking the time to give me the specs on those barrels.
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You're welcome....buenos tacos
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I wonder if you were to greatly magnify the bore of a single-cutter cut-rifled barrel if the bottoms of the grooves would also look fairly flat like the pope-rifling. The top of the cutter might be more flat, than radiused, like you might think.
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RSW, I will be interested to hear of your results once you get a rifle up and running. I have a friend who cuts his own rifling and uses something very similar to Pope's rifling. ( He only does work for himself, not for others unfortunately ). I can say that when it comes to black powder shooting his barrels do not hold onto fouling like all of my barrels do.
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I own two RKS barrels. Both in 40-cal. Both are right-hand, gain-twist barrels and both are S.S. I shoot GG bullets, in Silhouette competition, and do not have any issues with leading. Both barrels are very accurate. RKS also has a method that produces choke in his barrels. Ron recommends S.S. barrels for lead-bullet shooting as the finish in the barrels is smoother than his carbon-steel barrels. I believe he laps his Carbon barrels but not his gain-twist (I've heard elsewhere to gain-twist cannot be lapped due to the changing angle of the rifling).
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If memory serves me right Pope's barrels were also choked.
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Ron of RKS also uses a single-cutter rifling cutter as did Pope.
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What is the advantage of L/h rifling ?.
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Ron does not do anything to choke his barrels. He told me that the taper in his bores are like all single point cut rifled bores. There is a taper in the bore due to wear of the cutter. He does not lap his barrels.
Gain twist barrels can be and have been lapped with segmental laps. Leather laps and other gadgets.
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Ron does not do anything to choke his barrels. He told me that the taper in his bores are like all single point cut rifled bores. There is a taper in the bore due to wear of the cutter. He does not lap his barrels.
Gain twist barrels can be and have been lapped with segmental laps. Leather laps and other gadgets.
It's been said that's the same reason Pope and many other old time barrel maker's barrels were choked. It was simply something common to the method of rifling barrels, not something they intentionally tried to do.
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The square bit reamer with a wood backing used by many barrel makers also leaves a taper in the bore for the same reason.
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"What is the advantage of L/h rifling ?. Mike."
The rifle rotates towards the face instead of away from it from the bullets torque and a plus for hand.
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Barry Darr barrels were choked and button rifled so there was no cutter wear. Apologize if off original subject and just wanted to share it was and has been done.
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