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Feb 1st, 2021 at 5:52pm
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Is there anyone out there cutting barrels with Pope type rifling these days?
  
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Re: Pope Rifling
Reply #1 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 10:36am
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Ron Smith, i think still does.

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Your online handle is apropos, I've always liked it.
Thanks for the tip about Ron Smith, I'll give him a call. 
I wanna .32-40 "Pope" barrel for shooting loads like they used back in the day but don't want to put that sort of wear-n-tear on an original.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 3:31pm
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I think Kreiger used to.cut the Pope rifling.  Ledball
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 6:20pm
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Pardon my ignorance but what is it that makes Pope rifling different from everything else ?.
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Reply #5 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 7:04pm
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Im by no means a Pope expert, but his rifling was typically left hand twist, with wide grooves and he did many barrels with gain twist.  It was revolutionary then, and difficult to replicate now.  He was genius on multiple disciplines.
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 7:35pm
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Mick B wrote on Feb 2nd, 2021 at 6:20pm:
Pardon my ignorance but what is it that makes Pope rifling different from everything else ?.
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Mostly the left hand twist. Others did gain twist like Pope, and narrow lands like Pope. But not left hand twist. 
Glad you asked what made his different vs. the usual "what makes his the best", since some other's  barrels shot equally well, but weren't as well known as Pope.
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 8:10pm
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Arguably the biggest difference between Pope's barrels and conventional rifling is that the hole through a Pope barrel is not round. And therein lies the real story.
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 9:15pm
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RSW???????? Could you elaborate on hole not being  round?
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Reply #9 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 9:24pm
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If you read his 1899 catalog he explains his rifling concept. You can find it online. You might try a search something like:

Harry Pope 1899 catalog
  
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Will do. Always learning something new on this site. Thanks.
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Reply #11 - Feb 2nd, 2021 at 11:04pm
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Here's a sketch of a Pope rifling

I have two of his barrels, only one is on a rifle right now, a 22rf.   The other is a 33-47 built for a Farrow and I'm building that action.  They are both left hand twist, and let me say this, the 22rf shoots like nothing else I have.  I have a few of Ron Smith's barrels and they are as close as I've ever seen.  They don't quite shoot themselves like a Pope does, but they're close. Grin Grin

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Reply #12 - Feb 3rd, 2021 at 12:46am
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I tried to get grandpa to do it for me on more than one occasion. He wouldn't do it. 

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Reply #13 - Feb 3rd, 2021 at 9:51am
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Thanks for your input, I'll contact Ron anyway, couldn't hurt. I know he is busy full time just filling barrel orders.
  
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Re: Pope Rifling
Reply #14 - Feb 3rd, 2021 at 9:59am
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Randy,
I think I may have a few  321 barrels...two RKS and one Obermeyer if I remember correctly
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