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Single shot lever action materials kits
Jan 31st, 2021 at 12:31pm
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I am currently investigating the economics of selling materials kits for the Page-Lewis action as well as other designs.  I have the de Haas book and an example Model C.

The materials kits would consist of laser cut metal stock with hole locations laser engraved before cutting.  The companies offering the service claim an accuracy of 0.002" to 0.005".

These would then require holes to be drilled and reamed,  the cut surfaces  finished by draw filing followed by rivets and hard solder.

The Page-Lewis has two notable faults, the barrel attachment is weak and probably not repeatable enough to make a tang sight useful.  The other conspicuous fault is the firing pin impacts the extractor if the gun is dry fired.

This raises the question of whether to exactly copy the Model C or alter the design slightly.

To address the barrel attachment I'm considered using 1/4" stock for the sideplates in place of the 3/16", bringing the sides up slightly above the top of the barrel and using a horizontal pin to clamp the barrel in a groove in the sideplates so that the barrel is held in place in the manner of many of the Stevens guns and the Hopkins  and Allen 922.

I think the firing pin impact can be shifted to either the side or top of the rim away from the extractor.  However, I'll have to verify.

I'm  a hobby machinist.  Parts kits for steam engines and such are readily available as are parts to build semi-auto rifles.  But I've never seen a kit for a single shot rifle.

The Page-Lewis Model C is my first single shot rifle.  I've wanted one for a long time, but rather stingy about buying toys.  So it only took about 30 years for me to give myself permission.  I find the rifle quite a delight, though I'm a bit reluctant to shoot my example with modern .22 LR ammunition. Mine has been refinished so it looks nice, but mechanically not so good.  The dovetail was welded in place, half the trigger yoke is broken off and the firing pin and extractor badly beat up.

Two questions:

Would you be interested in buying a set of partially finished metal parts to build a single shot rifle?

If so, how much would you be wiling to spend for an action parts kits as described?

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Re: Single shot lever action materials kits
Reply #1 - Jan 31st, 2021 at 2:27pm
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Check out Rodney Storie,  He offers many single shot action castings.  Perhaps some one can check spelling and provide contact info, all I have is an email address.

Not to discourage you, we can always use another option for recreating these old single shot guns.

Good luck.

John

  
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Re: Single shot lever action materials kits
Reply #2 - Jan 31st, 2021 at 3:36pm
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I have long been fascinated by the Page-Lewis Ballard-like single shot, and have also long wanted a Model C with its admittedly tacky tang sight.  And that's the point: without the tang sight, the rifle is a Model B.  If rhb's example doesn't have a tang sight, I'd suggest he consider copying the old Marbles Simplex sight.

On the negative side, I don't have either the skills or the tooling to put together a kit.

But the new H&A rifles that Sharps made a run of sold out very quickly.  Therefore, if someone began making a finished rifle based on the kit, I'd very likely be a buyer.

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Reply #3 - Jan 31st, 2021 at 9:51pm
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I'm on the list to, "perhaps, maybe, if I'm lucky", get  an H&A 922 from Sharps.  They are considering doing another run of guns this year.   I'm also looking for an original  H&A 922  at an acceptable price.  As my interest is promoting building single shot rifles via materials kits,  a rather poor condition, but complete and functional  original would  serve me equally well.

I am not interested in making finished rifles both because of the legal issues and a complete unwillingness to compete in a niche market.  I'm retired.  I'd prefer that Sharps Arms get the finished gun trade. Quite simply, my  interest is not money, but  promoting critical skills.

I'm not a fan of engraved guns, but I have a lot of respect for those who do it.  A significant part of my motivation is to make it more affordable for someone who is interested in engraving guns.    Practice plates are cheap.  Guns are not.

If I get this to the point of producing and selling kits, I intend to offer 360 brass sideplates as an option and a trade-in credit if someone spoils a sideplate and needs a new one.

We are not allowed in the US to make guns for sale without a license.  But we *are* allowed to build them, subject to some constraints.  And the builder's heirs are allowed to inherit them.

I can think of nothing cooler than inheriting a fine single shot rifle built  by Grandad with my name engraved on it.  Nor anything that would motivate an interest in single shot rifles,  precision metal work and mechanical engineering more.

The skilled trades have been denigrated in the US to such a degree that there is a severe shortage of people who possess the skills.  I learned and have done everything in the building trades except masonry and real plaster.  My career was spent as a research scientist/programmer in the oil industry.   I find the disrespect for the skilled trades very distressing.

The jobs are different, but I see no difference between a PhD  level research scientist and a first class  tradesman.  Both fields require the same level of effort and dedication to the work at hand to be good at it.  Having done both, I feel very confident in the truth of saying they are equal.  

It really comes down to which do you prefer.  I should also note that the level of skill I expect in the top ranks of the trades is rather high.  I would not assess myself in the trades as above an apprentice.  I do good work, but I'm slow and require "do overs".

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