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Re: Stevens-Pope .22 rimfire Krag barrels
Reply #15 - Feb 1st, 2021 at 2:46pm
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I'm not privy to Warren Greatbach's work.  From everything I've read to date, there appear to be just under 2,000 numbered Stevens-Pope barrels of all calibers.  The numbers on the surviving .22 rimfire Krag barrels that I know about just doubled: 832, 893, and now 900 and 903. That's a spread of 71.   

Given that these were made early in the Stevens-Pope period, and that if you were going to make them, it would be most efficient to make a batch, they were probably numbered sequentially.  How many were made?   

They were used by the National Guard units in 3 states and DC, and in sufficient numbers that they were used as intended, improved the marksmanship of all 4 organizations, and attracted the attention and ire of the Army bigshots, it was more than a few.

In "The Springfield 1903 Rifle", Brophy tells us that the State of Pennsylvania ordered 110 Stevens-Pope barrels for their Krags. If Pennsylvania ordered 110, how many did the other National Guard organizations order? 

In "The Krag Rifle Story", p. 188, Mallory & Olsen show a photo of the bottom of a Stevens-Pope barrel with serial number 1441.  In the caption, they wrote "High serial number indicates that many more .22 Krag barrels were made by Stevens than by Springfield."   

In "The Krag Rifle", Brophy tells us that Springfield made 841 complete .22 rimfire Krag rifles or barreled actions.

Al that leads me to believe that the Stevens-Pope .22 rimfire Krag barrels were numbered sequentially, but that the numbering now stretches to (1441-832) more than 609.  Were they a separate series?  Were they more than 1/3 of all the Stevens-Pope barrels made?  Why are there so few survivors?


  
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Re: Stevens-Pope .22 rimfire Krag barrels
Reply #16 - Feb 1st, 2021 at 5:30pm
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Great info! 
But there might be even another possibility. It might be that there was a block of barrels in the 800-900 range built, and then maybe later a small number built to send to various units requesting a few more barrels? The last barrel in the 1400 range would be after Pope left Stevens, and no telling if they made a few, or a lot more unless more numbers showed up.
  

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Reply #17 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 12:54pm
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Adding to the confusion, here is Stevens-Pope barrel # 1065.  Owner says it has a flaming bomb mark indicating US property.  Did National Guard units mark theirs?  If the State of Pennsylvania ordered 110 of them, how were they marked?
  
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Reply #18 - Feb 9th, 2021 at 10:16pm
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The owner of 1065 has provided a photo of the Flaming Bomb stamp and the front sight on the Stevens-Pope barrel.
  
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Reply #19 - Mar 7th, 2021 at 10:04am
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Amoskeag has 2 of these Popes coming up in their next auction.
  
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Reply #20 - Mar 8th, 2021 at 9:50pm
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scharfe wrote on Mar 7th, 2021 at 10:04am:
Amoskeag has 2 of these Popes coming up in their next auction.


Very little info in the listing.  Lot 225 has what is supposed to be a decent barrel.  Lot 566 might be of historical interest.
  
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Reply #21 - Mar 10th, 2021 at 7:23pm
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Stevens - Pope Military Barrels;
  
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Reply #22 - Mar 12th, 2021 at 9:29pm
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Thanks for posting the catalog sheets.  What year was that from?

Reading the text, it is easy to see where the idea that the State of Washington purchased S-P barrels for their Krag training rifles.  Even the folks in the advertising department didn't know where they went.


  
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Reply #23 - Mar 12th, 2021 at 10:34pm
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And how do you know that Washington state did not purchase S-P barrels for their Krag trainers?

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Reply #24 - Mar 13th, 2021 at 3:44am
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MrTipUp wrote on Mar 12th, 2021 at 10:34pm:
And how do you know that Washington state did not purchase S-P barrels for their Krag trainers?

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Because the "Washington" barrels were purchased by the Washington DC Militia (term National Guard did not come into use until 1916, when the various state units were federalized & sent to the Mexican border).  The DC training officer ("Inspector of Musketry") was 1st Lt. Willard Milton Farrow.  His opposite number in NJ was Walter Hudson, and in Ohio, Charles Winder.  These guys knew how to teach young men to shoot accurately.

Back in the days of National Matches at Sea Girt, NJ, State Guard teams from Ohio, Pennsylvania, NJ and DC competed against teams from the Regular military establishment and beat them, both in the then-new military smallbore matches and in regular military high-power matches.
  
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Reply #25 - Mar 21st, 2021 at 12:50pm
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I have a Stevens-Pope Krag barrel #1034
  
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