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300 Blackout
Jan 1st, 2021 at 6:31am
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Anyone playing with the 300 Blackout in a single shot? If yes, what bullet weight, twist and powder are you using? Thinking of putting a  rifle together based on a Ruger No.1 or 3 if I can find a cheap one out here in Aus. I already have a quality 30 cal bbl just sitting around and not interested in any more 32s. Looking at the Ruger as I may occasionally want to shoot some factory ammo with jacketed pills. I am lucky enough to have numerous 1885's, 44 1/2s, plus multiple European single shots so something "less" traditional is required  Grin
  
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Reply #1 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 8:34am
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No ...But have toyed with the idea of a shorter rimmed version on a 357 mag case.
The 1-200 thou free bore section worries me if it would be easy to get to shoot or not.
Breach seated maybe a pain.
I’d like to know too.
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Reply #2 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 8:45am
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No reason at all it shouldn't make for a nice round in a Ruger. With that action you can load it as hot or as mild as you want.  The determining factor will be the twist in the barrel you have on hand. Most BO barrels are pretty fast twist to stabilize the longer bullets at slow speed. There is lots of load data out there for both jacketed and cast bullets. Unless you use varmit bullets, jacketed will suffer from low expansion. Cast bullets, well the world is your oyster there. Anything from the stubby 130's designed for the carbine up to the long needle type up to about 250 grain or so. 
YMMV
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Re: 300 Blackout
Reply #3 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 9:27am
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I barreled a BSA martini to 300 Blackout but with a rim, I use 360 Dan Wesson Brass . Makes a fun plinker.
I use 180 gr. plain base bullet with good results.
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Re: 300 Blackout
Reply #4 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 10:07am
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Why not go with 30-30?

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Reply #5 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 10:14am
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Tough question to answer for a single shot. Most data and shooters experience  will be AR 15, short barrel based, with velocity below 1100 and above 1700.

When you go to something hand fed the options of powder/bullet combinations probably triple at least.

I have shot everything from 80-265 grains. The 80 grain top out over 3000 fps in a barrel over 18” long, the 265 around 1400 in something as short as 12”. Everything can be shot at 900 fps. Depending on powder choice.

Twist rates from 1/5-11 will stabilize cast as heavy as 200 grains. 1/9 or 1/10 is very versatile.

It can be a very versatile cartridge in a single shot.

The other thing to consider would be brass. Will you be using a rimmed case or rimless. The rimless cases will stand up to heavy loads, something using most of the pistol rimmed cases won’t hold up to 50,000 psi if you go there. Using 222R or magnum rimmed solves that.

The cartridge is kind of a can of worms, best to decide what you want to do or since you have the barrel already, figure out what the parameters for it will be. The real limit will be how long of a bullet can be shot at how slow of velocity of that twist. MOA or better is obtainable across a broad choice of bullets and velocity. 

The only thing to add would be other than sight radius, there is nothing to be gained in a barrel over 22”. And some of the heavier slower bullets start losing velocity at 24”
  
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Reply #6 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 5:28pm
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Thanks all for the replies. Rifle will mainly be a range gun but there is a very remote possibility of the odd wild goat coming under the sights.

Rebel: 30 -30 is not appealing as I feel it will be to similar to the multiple 32/40s that I have. No other reason.

Dellet: will be going rimless and using commercial brass. Did think of using 5.6 x 50R to for a rimmed version but then decided I really don't want to be forming brass, not that it would be very hard to do. Will need to check the this on my Border Barrel.

Always had a liking for the obscure 7 x 33 Sako round as found in L41 Sako bolt guns and 300 is "similar" and is just a touch more user friendly as far as dies, brass etc go.

This is a side project while I wait for my barrel to complete the Farrow Kit I purchased from RodneyS.
  
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Reply #7 - Jan 1st, 2021 at 8:53pm
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Something I forgot about, the case capacity basically gives you you a 30-25 depending on the grade of black powder you use. So you get better velocity than a 32-20 and a better selection of bullets.

Never tried to breech seat it, but......
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 2nd, 2021 at 1:43am
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You could do a 30 Apache, which is basically a 223 necked to 308, on a side note , why weren’t you at the range today
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Reply #9 - Jan 2nd, 2021 at 8:27am
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want a challenge? 30 Carbine.

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Reply #10 - Jan 2nd, 2021 at 4:29pm
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Grumpy gumpy wrote on Jan 2nd, 2021 at 1:43am:
You could do a 30 Apache, which is basically a 223 necked to 308, on a side note , why weren’t you at the range today
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Could do that but don't want to go down the case forming route (yes I know it's not hard ) and as for the range - I am 2600 km (approx. 1620 Miles for those not using metric) away from our little club  Grin Back to normal in a week or so.
  
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Reply #11 - Jan 2nd, 2021 at 4:36pm
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Rebel wrote on Jan 2nd, 2021 at 8:27am:
want a challenge? 30 Carbine.

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That surely would be a challenge! 

The 30 carbine round has basically disappeared from out here in Aus due to our overly policed and regulated firearms legislation. It would be easier to find .461 Gibbs cases than 30 carbine...lol  Wink
  
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Re: 300 Blackout
Reply #12 - Jan 4th, 2021 at 2:10am
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I had a contender barrel built in 300/221 Rimmed with a Shilien 1/10 twist bbl back in 98. I was shooting big bore  handgun sillhouette.  It has about the right amount of knockdown with.out excessive recoil.  The Rcbs 165gr sillhouette bullet shoots great from my barrel

I also have.a T/C Encore 20" barrel with 1/10 twist.

Both shoot great but if I was doing it again I think I would go with a slower twist. You dont need.1/10 for 150-180gr cast bullets.
  
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Re: 300 Blackout
Reply #13 - Jan 4th, 2021 at 5:31pm
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Go ahead and build it. but I think you'll eventually get tired of it.  Like the once-vaunted .30 Herrett, it's a cartridge with a narrow range of utility.
  

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Reply #14 - Jan 4th, 2021 at 7:04pm
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uscra112 wrote on Jan 4th, 2021 at 5:31pm:
Go ahead and build it. but I think you'll eventually get tired of it.  Like the once-vaunted .30 Herrett, it's a cartridge with a narrow range of utility.


You are probably right but it will give me something other than BP single shots to play with and after the initial blaze of glory it will most likely sit in the safe for 6 - 9 months. 

Importantly though it is something different that my fellow club members and single shot rifle shooters are unlikely to ever consider or even less likely to play with. Beside got to use up the 30 cal match barrel some how!  Grin
  
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