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Reply #15 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 1:12pm
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Yes, very beautiful, interesting that it has a lugged hammer when it is a .22LR. Does it have a 7 o’clock extractor?
  
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Reply #16 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 1:21pm
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Thanks, yes, it has the 7:00 extractor. I meant to include that detail in my post, glad you brought that up.
  
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Reply #17 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 2:23pm
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What is the serial number?  There's a very narrow range that had the two-part "bolt" pivots combined with the 7:00 extractor.
  

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Reply #18 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 3:18pm
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Serial on barrel is 345X.
The action isn't serial numbered, so I can't be sure the barrel is original to the frame. It appears it might be, by condition and fit.
  
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Reply #19 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 3:39pm
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That number is way, way out of sequence for the features we see.  At that s/n range, it would have screw pivots diameter .258", for example.   Side extractor and bolt pivots together from the factory happen around 12,000 to 16,000.  Unless the gunsmith who built it converted from the screw pivots to the bolts, the frame is from that vintage.  If it is an earlier frame that was converted, it would have to have been done before the engraving work.

That barrel might have been taken from a 44 1/2, and reworked to fit the 44 frame.  The 44 tenon is smaller than the 44 1/2, so it would be an easy proposition. The 44 tenon is a bit longer but the setback necessary would only be about 1/16 inch.  

Edit:  Nope, I take that back, the threads wouldn't clean up.  The setback would have to be more like an inch.


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Reply #20 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 4:50pm
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Could it just be that an older S/N barrel from a 44 was fitted to it?

I knew the 2-piece pivot screws were a later feature, just didn't realize how much later in the S/N range.

I saw the 7-o'clock extractor, lugged hammer and tension adjusting screw and figured early frame.  Do you know about when they quit putting the tension adjusting screw in the block leg? I have a square notch frame rifle that has it, and the side extractor if I remember right.
I think it is S/N 259X if memory serves.
  
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Reply #21 - Jan 7th, 2021 at 10:04pm
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The tension screw in the breechblock leg disappears with the introduction of the 6:00 extractor.  The slot for the extractor occupies that space.

Yes, it could be a very early barrel, probably relined.   

So far I have seen the lugged hammer only in rifles built for the largest centerfire cartridges; .32-40 and .38-55.  Even the .32 Ideal and .32-35 rifles I've logged do not have it. (Rebel reports that his rare .44-40 has it.)
  

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Reply #22 - Jan 8th, 2021 at 4:43am
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How long is the barrel? If it’s an odd length it may give a clue to as being set back or not. And does it have the Stevens address roll mark and 22 LR roll mark?
  
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Reply #23 - Jan 8th, 2021 at 7:04am
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Thanks for all the info, this site is a great resource!
The barrel is 30" long, muzzle to breech face. Doesn't appear to be set back- The 2-screw fore end is normal length, and the barrel S/N is in the right spot just in front of the wood.
It doesn't appear to have been re-lined-neither the muzzle or breech show any sign of that.
Here are some more pictures of hammer and RF breech block, muzzle, markings and engraving.
  
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Reply #24 - Jan 8th, 2021 at 7:08am
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Reply #25 - Jan 8th, 2021 at 7:09am
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Reply #26 - Jan 8th, 2021 at 7:10am
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Reply #27 - Jan 8th, 2021 at 7:25am
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A couple more questions-
When I got it the rifle was topped with a 20X unertl, but the barrel shows various scope attachments over the years. What kind of mount used the eyebrow notch visible in my marking photo? Was it a claw mount of some kind? There are 2 in front and 2 in back about in the same locations as the blocks.
As for hammer lug am I correct about it being there? I take the wedge shaped projection under the striking surface to be it, but honestly I've never seen one maybe I am wrong. I too wondered why it would be on a 22RF.
  
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Reply #28 - Jan 8th, 2021 at 7:43am
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Yes, that's certainly the lugged hammer.

If you go to fit a non-original Stevens barrel to a 44 frame, the barrel almost always has to be trimmed to get it to index correctly.  Stevens never "clocked" their barrels like Winchester did.  At most, the barrel would have to be set back one turn, which is .050".  More likely a lot less than that.   Impossible therefore to judge whether it's the original barrel with a tape measure.   

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Reply #29 - Jan 8th, 2021 at 8:48am
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Those "eyebrows" are the cuts made to mount Harry Pope's own style of scope mounts.  Pope cut them, of course,, and Stevens may have while Pope was working for them, but I don't think anyone else did, at least back then.  In short, at some point - and I'm guessing early on - Ol' Harry may have had a finger if not a hand in the evolution of your rifle.

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