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Ballard Brown?
Dec 27th, 2020 at 11:42pm
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Looks a bit like a Ruger #3(profile wise)  to me.weird action for sure
you advanced collectors probably know about these.not me!

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Reply #1 - Dec 28th, 2020 at 9:36am
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Looks like a pretty neat action and rifle.
  
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Ballards may be weaker,
but they sure are neater!

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Reply #2 - Dec 28th, 2020 at 10:35am
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Very little is known about Brown beyond his time at Merrimack Arms when they were contracted to produce Ballard rifles, and later when he also contracted to produce Ballard rifles. Neither company owned the patent for Ballard rifles as Charles Ballard sold that patent to Schoverling and Daly, who contracted the manufacture of the guns.
Beyond Ballard rifles built by Brown, and handguns built by Brown under Merrimack Mfg., I have no info on these long range Brown rifles. Looks like a very solid design, and considering the caliber it must be.
  

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Reply #3 - Dec 29th, 2020 at 10:30am
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That rifle has been sitting on GB since at least early last summer.
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 30th, 2020 at 1:31am
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I did a little digging and found the patent drawings for this rifle. I'll try to post it.
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Reply #5 - Dec 30th, 2020 at 11:15am
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Nice digging, LD1!
  
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Reply #6 - Dec 31st, 2020 at 8:37am
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You can get a casting set from Rodney Storie and make up your own.
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 14th, 2021 at 10:31am
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What caliber is the one shown?  A couple were used in the 1880s-era Creedmoor matches, but you sure would not want to shoot this particular rifle in a Creedmoor-rules match with all that military stuff hanging on the barrel.  Brown and Farrow were well acquainted, maybe friends.  All this going from memory.
  
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Reply #8 - Feb 14th, 2021 at 11:45am
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I believe they were 45-90. Eight were used in the military matches of 1883.  That's why they're equipped with the sights that they have as no tang sights were allowed. The original Creedmoor matches were finished by 1877 and only lasted 4 years.
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Reply #9 - Feb 14th, 2021 at 12:02pm
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Just going from memory here, from reading old books a few years back, may be wrong.  IIRC, Farrow and Brown were on the US team that went to England, shot in the long range matches, tang sights, back positions.  Maybe both used Brown rifles.
  
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Reply #10 - Feb 14th, 2021 at 12:24pm
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If the rifle was used in a military breechloader match (mbl) then they could only use barrel sights. If it was used in an any rifle match (ar) then they could use rear mounted sights, either heel mounted or tang mounted. A private Brown was listed as one of the members of the 1883 team  but I don't know if he is any connection to the Brown Manufacturing company. Milton Farrow is not listed as a member in the 1883 match where these rifles would have been used.
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Reply #11 - Feb 15th, 2021 at 11:54am
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waterman wrote on Feb 14th, 2021 at 10:31am:
What caliber is the one shown?  A couple were used in the 1880s-era Creedmoor matches, but you sure would not want to shoot this particular rifle in a Creedmoor-rules match with all that military stuff hanging on the barrel.  Brown and Farrow were well acquainted, maybe friends.  All this going from memory.


Waterman, you may be thinking of the revival match of 1880.  IIRC, the US. was shooting the Palma match by then and accepted an invitation to shoot at Dollymount.  The team members were:

1880 at Dollymount, Ireland 
J.F. Clark, H. Fisher, R. Rathbone, W.M. Farrow J.F. Brown and S.I. Scott
Scores   Americans: 1,292  Ireland:  1,280

There was an unofficial follow-up match shot shortly after at Wimbledon that was organized by Frank Hyde.  Lots of politics and Farrow was booted off the team.

1880 at Wimbledon, England 
Unofficial match USA vs GB following the Dollymount match. 
USA: Brown, Dudley, Gerrish, Hyde, Jackson, Laird, Rockwell, Scott 

Scores: Great Britain 1647,  America 1568
The preferred rifles on the American Team were primarily: 6 Sharps Borchardts, 1 Rolling block and 1 Ballard.  I suspect that Farrow shot the Ballard as he was shooting one in 1879 and represented the factory.  This is all by courtesy of Research Press


  
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