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Reply #30 - Dec 23rd, 2020 at 2:11pm
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Wow, your Ballard frame is just stunning! 
Are you going to try to replicate the Stevens ripple pattern when you cch  your 44?
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Reply #31 - Dec 24th, 2020 at 11:03am
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Otto, Good looking color casehardening. Wish I had a magic formula to caseharden high wear parts.
Kasenit (or equiv.) works very well on mild steel parts used per directions. Have never worn through it.
Hold the flame on coated parts maybe a little longer than normal, but don’t overheat.
Don’t get carried away on thin parts like the sear nose or hammer notches, as they will get brittle. Everything comes out a gray color
Rockwell test is not reliable on casehardened parts. Thin parts always show harder than thicker parts Point is going through the case and measuring the base material.
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Re: Stevens M-44 Finishes
Reply #32 - Dec 24th, 2020 at 1:06pm
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No. I prefer the overall CCH look to the stripped look. This is just as well, as I don't have a clue, as to how Stevens or CPA get the stripped look.
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Thanks for your reply. That is how I usually case harden parts, that I don't plan to color but want a deeper hardening. 
After reading SureShot's reply on Stevens CCH, I do wonder, if a longer soak time, would result in color and a deeper hardening.
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Reply #33 - Dec 24th, 2020 at 1:29pm
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I think higher temps and longer soak does indeed give a slightly deeper case but only very slight. The penetration will only go so deep no matter how long you soak it or at least that has been my experience. I find higher temps are bad for good color as well. Getting color right to the edge of the screw holes is what I have been pursuing for sometime now. H&H does it but won't tell me how. I suspect they fill the holes with pins and screws before going in the kiln. I was told once by an old blacksmith that the wavy lines were done in a molten cyanide bath and the part had to be lowered in slowly. I have no way to prove or disprove it and others may know the correct answer. ratseye
  
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Reply #34 - Dec 24th, 2020 at 2:22pm
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I don’t believe anyone is using cyanide for color case hardening anymore, perhaps that is why it is difficult to replicate the Stevens color case pattern. A good way to be poisoned I would think. I do personally like CPA’s color case hardening on my Stevens that they have done for me, four of them now.
  
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Reply #35 - Dec 24th, 2020 at 3:03pm
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I want to say that it was Allyn Tedmon who wrote that the striping was caused by the chain conveyor from which the parts were hung to be carried through the bath.  It pulsed up and down due to the sprockets, or ????.
  

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Re: Stevens M-44 Finishes
Reply #36 - Dec 24th, 2020 at 11:45pm
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I have a friend who worked in a large factory machine shop until 5 to 10 years ago, and he said that their cyanide tank was wide open all the time sounds scary. 
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