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Reply #60 - Dec 6th, 2020 at 5:04pm
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I have fired this gun using 4227 and 4759 powders and 319289 Lyman bullets but not having any great success yet. At 50 yds groups were 3-4", not off bags but leaning against a truck. Not good. Before I take this conversation over to reloading, I figured I needed some chamber measurements. My question to you, who are now somewhat familiar with my gun, is about pound casting. Is the breech rugged enough to do a pound cast or do I need to use cerrosafe. What I am trying to determine, and I don't know how, is if this gun is chambered for loaded cartridges or for breech seating. 
Any suggestions? Again, thank you for all your help. 
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Reply #61 - Dec 7th, 2020 at 10:06am
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I personally wouldn't do a pound casting of the chamber on any of mine. I'd rather do Cerrosafe, or in a pinch a wax casting than pound lead into my chambers.
But until you can set up a bench, or a good solid rest, it's going to be tough to determine accuracy.
  

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Reply #62 - Dec 7th, 2020 at 10:14am
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^^^^^ What he said ^^^^^

Cerrosafe isn't cheap, but it can be used over and over.  I've even used it to fixture an irregular part for machining. Also to make a pattern for a lost inlay on an antique muzzleloader.
  

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Reply #63 - Dec 7th, 2020 at 2:13pm
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Rotometals in San Leandro CA sells a Cerrosafe clone for cosiderably less. Having used quite a bit of it, seems to be the same, but in name only.
  

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Reply #64 - Dec 7th, 2020 at 5:11pm
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I have a 10yr old cerrosafe cast of the chamber but have read somewhere the shrinkage factor was not to be trusted hence the question about the pound cast, (which I will definitely not do now). 
When ordering Randy Wrights book today I took advantage of his time with a bevy of questions. I think I know enough to go forward with more testing thanks to you all. I appreciate your patience. 
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Reply #65 - Dec 7th, 2020 at 5:35pm
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Yes, it will shrink, but I've found it so easy to do that I simply melt the casting back down, and do it again.
I always wondered why guys saved the Cerrosafe castings since they're really useless once they've shrunk anyway. I bought two bars years ago, and quickly realized one was plenty for a lifetime.
  

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Reply #66 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:45pm
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The second non Pope Lubricator came from New Hampshire. Was made by a guy that worked at the plant that made investment Castings for Ruger and later became a seperate company. When I get down to my cellar I will look as his name is on mine. He later did not want to make any more and I bought all of his leftover 
castings. And then never did anything with them. Well I went down and found the one I bought from him. In the interest of not telling it to the world in case he would object I will not publish his name here. But if anyone here would like it I can be contacted by PM and I will respond by PM to the inquiry. I looked for the casting set stuff and only have a couple and I do remember buying all he had so I must have spread them around to others that wanted to make their own Pope style Lube Pump. HTH Regards FITZ. OLD TUCK Smiley
  
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Reply #67 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 6:58pm
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vall in my position at a camera company where we made Plastic lenses. When we were making new cavity sets we would use Cerro Bend to get cavity dimensions. The process was actually easy. We just heated up the Cavity's and then the Cerro Bend and poured it into the Cavity. We set them aside to cool off and left them over Night. We had found that Cerro Bend initially shrank quite a bit, but then went into a series of shrink and expansion as it went through temperature changes.
The end result was that 12 to 15 hours later the casting would be very close to the actual cavity numbers within .0002 to .0005and we could use that information to modify our machining system to get the product we wanted. It worked very well and we were able to create multiple cavity's that were all very correct to small numbers. The important issue was giving the sample enough time to go through the shrink and expansion cycles until it settled down and was stable. FITZ. OLD TUCK Smiley
  
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Reply #68 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:23pm
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jbinnh, You have Ideal # 17 , I have Ideal # 12 that was owned by a shooter from Newport RI and later from Bridgewater MA. He was a real shooting enthusiast and spread the Gospel that most matches were won or lost in the Offhand stage. He influenced a lot of shooters in this area. I pulled Targets when I was young and even though I did not know him then he was up on the line with some of his 
younger Team shooters. Later in my life I came to know many of them and compete against them. They were no pushover, ever. He is long past and so is his Son so I will Identify him. P. E. Brooks. Well all for now. Regards FITZ. OLD TUCK Smiley
  
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Reply #69 - Mar 15th, 2021 at 7:44pm
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fitz is Cerro Bend the same as Cerrosafe?
  

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Reply #70 - Mar 16th, 2021 at 4:11pm
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Vall yes it is. We bought it in large quantities as in some cases we would be  making 8, 12, 24,and a few 32 Cavity molds and wanted all cavities to be uniform
to maintain Optical standards. Some times the folks we bought from would not have enough in stock to meet our needs. So we checked and found that three or four manufacturers used the same chemistry standards. FITZ, OLD TUCK Smiley
  
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Reply #71 - Mar 16th, 2021 at 4:47pm
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RotoMetals also has the shrink rate chart for their product on their Web site. I have been using it for years and find it to be a very good product for my own use.
  

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