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Nov 13th, 2020 at 5:37pm
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I have never owned a rolling block before. Ballards, hi & low walls, stevens 44's, a hepburn and a bullard. I found this one in a tiny auction in Montana.  Last patent date in 1873, serial of 45xx, bbl marked 44 S. It needs work but do I really have a Creedmoor ?
  
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Reply #1 - Nov 13th, 2020 at 5:51pm
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Barrel length? Creedmoors had 34" lightweight barrels that kept the gun total weight at 10 lbs. That appears to maybe slightly shorter, so probably a Mid-Range rifle.
  

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Reply #2 - Nov 13th, 2020 at 7:56pm
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Your rifle looks like it is set up for a heel mounded vernier sight. What is the barrel length and weight?

Regardless, nice rifle.
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Reply #3 - Nov 13th, 2020 at 9:19pm
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The bbl was listed as 34 1/4".  It was measured from the muzzle to the face of the breech block. The weight is right at 10 lbs. Their are holes for a heel sight. The bbl is cut with 2 slots for a sight like the one in the attached pic.
  
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Reply #4 - Nov 13th, 2020 at 11:46pm
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Good, again nice rifle. If you ever get tired of it...
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 14th, 2020 at 10:32am
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Sounds like it is indeed a Creedmoor with a 34" barrel. Only concern I have is whether that barrel is original to the rest of the rifle. The few Creedmoor rifle barrels I've looked at were exactly 34" per the rules, and a 34.25" would not fit those rules.
  

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Reply #6 - Nov 14th, 2020 at 12:27pm
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The bbl is numbered the same as the action. The auction had it listed as a #2. It's clearly marked 44 S. They also described it as being "rechambered and rebored for a Creedmoor bullet." I haven't even run a patch through it yet and it shines like a new dime. The trigger is a dream !
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 14th, 2020 at 1:13pm
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Marcot’s book on Remington Sporting Rifles (in the Creedmoor rifle section) shows Creedmoor rifles with barrel lengths ranging from 32 1/2 in. to 34 1/2 in. (the majority being 34 in.). What’s up with that? Maybe be Remington seconds?   Huh
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 14th, 2020 at 1:23pm
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I read somewhere that Remington would usually shorten the bbl to get to 10 #'s.
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 15th, 2020 at 10:56am
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rollingblock wrote on Nov 14th, 2020 at 1:13pm:
Marcot’s book on Remington Sporting Rifles (in the Creedmoor rifle section) shows Creedmoor rifles with barrel lengths ranging from 32 1/2 in. to 34 1/2 in. (the majority being 34 in.). What’s up with that? Maybe be Remington seconds?   Huh


Those under 34" were usually not classified as true Creedmoor rifles, although under length was within the rules. Often shooters preferred a little shorter barrel if they were shooting in Mid-Range Creedmoor matches where a full length 34" barrel wasn't needed.
I'm not sure why there are any over 34" barrels for Creedmoor rifles that were used in competition, since I've heard the rules were pretty well enforced?
But with matching numbers scharfe's rifle does indeed seem to be a legit Creedmoor rifle.
  

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Reply #10 - Nov 15th, 2020 at 11:46am
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It sure is fun to speculate. Perhaps bbl's over 34" were ordered by people who had no interest in shooting in creedmoor matches. I am going to contact the auction company Monday. I would love to get some provenance on it. The trail at least starts in Montana. Remington records don't exist do they ? Receiver's last patent is Sept 9, 1873 the March 16, 1874 date is missing. Can I assume it was made 1873 - 1874 ? My search may end at a garage sale or killing buffalo on the plains of Montana. God I love this hobby.
  
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Reply #11 - Nov 15th, 2020 at 12:39pm
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No records on Remington serial numbers, but some have seen enough to note approximate date eras. 
The patent dates on the side of the receiver wont narrow down much. Roy Marcot states the Sept 9, 1873 patent stamp was used from around mid 3,000 numbers up to the end of BP production. The 1874 date wasn't added until the #5 smokeless actions began.
  

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Reply #12 - Nov 16th, 2020 at 7:10pm
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I own 2 original Remington Creedmoor rifles. Both have 34 1/4” barrels....
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Reply #13 - Nov 16th, 2020 at 9:35pm
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How common is the full round barrel ?
  
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Reply #14 - Nov 16th, 2020 at 10:12pm
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On Creedmoor rifles, I'd bet it's the most common form (least weight for a given length and size).

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