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Reply #30 - Oct 29th, 2020 at 4:49pm
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Lesson for today: do NOT believe that everything is on the Internet.

A online search with my PC just uncovered the one Stockheim (see earlier post)

A look in my ADAC road atlas revealed 12 places called Stockheim.

I now have to look at them all, to see if I can interpret the OD.
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Reply #31 - Oct 29th, 2020 at 4:55pm
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Got it!

Stockheim in Odenwald (i.e. Stockheim i. OD). A part of Michelstadt-Erbach, if you wish to look it up.

Alas! No entry in Stoeckel for for a gunsmith in Stockheim, Michelstadt, Erbach, and none at all for the name Friedlein.

Why did I take this trouble? - Because the gun dates from a period when the majority of gunsmiths are listed in Stoeckel, and Friedlein could have been working for one of them, and later become independent.

The complete lack of an entry, by name or by location, makes me wonder if Wilhelm Friedlein was a dealer who put his name on a gun that was actually made, in whole or in part, by someone else.

For that reason , I am going to ask you to remove the front-end  wood and study the hidden section of the barrel most carefully. One sometimes finds markings there.

As to the chambering, it seems that you have the same problem as I have with my Stahl target rifle - the chambering is too generous in the neck for the bullet that would fit in the rifling.

I will get round to this in a day or two, but it is now rather late over here in Mauserland.

Keep watching this space!

Patrick
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Reply #32 - Oct 29th, 2020 at 5:10pm
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ww wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 4:47pm:
After knowing where to look I'd agree on it having Martini Henry rifling. I learned something new. Thank you.
WW


Sorry to be picky, but there is no Martini-Henry rifling. The combination of Henry rifling and a Martini action was the basis of the British Martini Henry service rifle.
  
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Reply #33 - Oct 29th, 2020 at 6:44pm
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Not a problem. Im learning.
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Reply #34 - Oct 29th, 2020 at 8:24pm
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"the chambering is too generous in the neck for the bullet that would fit in the rifling"
Even if it was a stop ring bullet where the neck fit could be a little sloppy for the bullet?
WW, late in its career the Martini Henrys were converted to .303 with Enfield rifling thus becoming Martini Enfields.
  
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Reply #35 - Oct 30th, 2020 at 9:39am
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Patrick Chadwick wrote on Oct 29th, 2020 at 4:55pm:
Got it!

Stockheim in Odenwald (i.e. Stockheim i. OD). A part of Michelstadt-Erbach, if you wish to look it up.

Alas! No entry in Stoeckel for for a gunsmith in Stockheim, Michelstadt, Erbach, and none at all for the name Friedlein.

Why did I take this trouble? - Because the gun dates from a period when the majority of gunsmiths are listed in Stoeckel, and Friedlein could have been working for one of them, and later become independent.

The complete lack of an entry, by name or by location, makes me wonder if Wilhelm Friedlein was a dealer who put his name on a gun that was actually made, in whole or in part, by someone else.

For that reason , I am going to ask you to remove the front-end  wood and study the hidden section of the barrel most carefully. One sometimes finds markings there.

As to the chambering, it seems that you have the same problem as I have with my Stahl target rifle - the chambering is too generous in the neck for the bullet that would fit in the rifling.

I will get round to this in a day or two, but it is now rather late over here in Mauserland.

Keep watching this space!

Patrick



I looked the location on goggle maps and got the same results. 
There is nothing under the forearm wood but a witness mark one on top of the barrel also. The only other markings on the rifle that I can find is the serial number under the lever that removes the triger assembly. 23830 appears to be hand applied. 
The only thing a serch for the barrel address results turned  up a similar rifle at Julia's in 2014  chambered in 8.15X46R. It sold for $1100. 
I would be inclined to agree with the address being retail or distribution rather than a gunsmith. 
No proofs that I can find unless they are on the tangs under the wood. I haven't tried to remove the butt stock yet. 
I'll keep playing with the star-line 50-90 and Buffalo Arms 44-774r to see if I can get closer to the .015 wall thickness. Buffalo Arms measures  a .515 base diameter and saves the work of sizing down from .558 with the 50-90.
You mentioned Mauserland I assume that your in Germany. I'm in Iowa U.S.
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Re: A case-forming challenge
Reply #36 - Nov 11th, 2020 at 10:11am
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oneatatime wrote on Oct 28th, 2020 at 2:07pm:
Patrick, now you have to show us the rifle!


Your wish is my command!

But posted in the collecting section!
  
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