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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 583 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	C.E. Overbaugh Ballard with a Checkered Past Oct 22^nd, 2020 at 3:33pm	Print Post
	I bought this rifle recently at auction. The rounded top receiver was something I saw on a Zischang Ballard and the buttplate was something I've seen on Zettler rifles. The action has fine scroll engraving in the corners and the back of the action is checkered. The checkering is professional. All the lines are parallel ... amazing really. The full round barrel is 28-1/2" long is unmarked on the top of -or- under the forearm. It is chambered in .25-20 SS. Thank you to RDBallard - and Gary Quinlan for helping me positively identify this rifle.
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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 583 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Re: Ballard with a Checkered Past (unknown maker) Reply #1 - Oct 22^nd, 2020 at 3:33pm	Print Post
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Crown-C Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 487 Location: St. Marys Kansas Joined: Apr 6^th, 2009	Re: Ballard with a Checkered Past (unknown maker) Reply #2 - Oct 22^nd, 2020 at 3:45pm	Print Post
	Joe, That one is truly unique, I’ve never seen one even close to the engraving and metal checkering. I haven’t seen a rounded top either although I’ve heard of it. I don’t recall any like this in Dutcher’s book. I’m fairly sure it’s a custom rework, but don’t have a clue who might have done it. Would love to be the owner, congratulations on the find!

	Richard Crown-C Ranch in the Flinthills NRA Life Member ASSRA Member # 10366 Member & Founders Society, Cody Firearms Museum Veteran
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JerryH Frequent Elocutionist Offline ASSRA Member #10876 Posts: 1240 Location: Easton, CA Joined: Nov 9^th, 2014	Re: Ballard with a Checkered Past (unknown maker) Reply #3 - Oct 22^nd, 2020 at 4:57pm	Print Post
	Very nice rifle Joe, and I'm glad you got it. I bid on it, but obviously not enough. Interesting information from RDBallard. If I had known that I may have gone higher with my bid. JerryH

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Joe Do... Oldtimer ASSRA Board Member ASSRA Journal Editor Offline Posts: 583 Location: 'burbs of Chicago Joined: May 19^th, 2012	Re: Ballard with a Checkered Past (unknown maker) Reply #4 - Oct 22^nd, 2020 at 5:01pm	Print Post
	Wow ... thank you RDBallard ! I'll have to see if I can find other examples.


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GT Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2028 Location: Northeast Wyoming Joined: Jun 28^th, 2015	Re: Ballard with a Checkered Past (unknown maker) Reply #5 - Oct 22^nd, 2020 at 7:11pm	Print Post
	Nice rifle Joe! It has me drooling out of both corners.

	"To invent, you need a good imagination and a pile of junk" T. A. Edison "The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right" M.T.
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moodyholler Oldtimer Offline Posts: 694 Location: Blue Ridge Joined: Oct 11^th, 2005	Re: Ballard with a Checkered Past (unknown maker) Reply #6 - Oct 22^nd, 2020 at 8:02pm	Print Post
	wow!


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard with a Checkered Past (unknown maker) Reply #7 - Oct 22^nd, 2020 at 8:33pm	Print Post
	Pretty cool gun Joe! Have you compared the round top receiver to an octagon top to see if there's enough meat in the receiver ring to reshape an octagon to make it round? I've never seen a round top pistol grip receiver, and wonder if he reshaped an octagon top, or how he made the round top on a pistol grip frame? No markings makes me wonder if he polished them all off when he reshaped it, or if he somehow built this receiver from a block of steel? Very strange receiver!

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11420 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Ballard with a Checkered Past (unknown maker) Reply #8 - Oct 22^nd, 2020 at 9:22pm	Print Post
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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1303 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Ballard with a Checkered Past (unknown maker) Reply #9 - Oct 23^rd, 2020 at 7:02am	Print Post
	For once, I'm with Joe and add my own "Wow!". Bill Lawrence


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 15994 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Ballard with a Checkered Past (unknown maker) Reply #10 - Oct 23^rd, 2020 at 10:44am	Print Post
	If it was an octagon receiver reshaped to round, then I'd expect it would have to have started with a heavy receiver, and not a rebated stepped side receiver. And I've not ever seen a heavy pistol grip receiver with single trigger myself. All those I've seen or owned in a heavy pistol grip were DST blocks, so I'd expect to see DST block on this gun? Unless there are no serial numbers anywhere on this gun's receiver or blocks to determine if blocks match receiver. But if the serial numbers match, it would be an extremely rare pistol grip, single trigger, heavy receiver that was converted to round top.

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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2223 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: Ballard with a Checkered Past (unknown maker) Reply #11 - Oct 23^rd, 2020 at 11:53am	Print Post
	Bobw and I have trouble checkering a hammer spur. Can't imagine the skill required to do that kind of checkering. Chuck


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bobw Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1415 Location: NW, Iowa Joined: Mar 19^th, 2013	Re: Ballard with a Checkered Past (unknown maker) Reply #12 - Oct 23^rd, 2020 at 1:31pm	Print Post
	Ha, thanks chuck for reminding me of that! But, on the subject of this gun and the engraving. When I saw the engraving on top of the frame it reminded me of this. Made me wonder if it wasn't the same guy worked on both.

	Robert Warren
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JLouis Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 10625 Joined: Apr 8^th, 2009	Re: Ballard with a Checkered Past (unknown maker) Reply #13 - Oct 23^rd, 2020 at 2:09pm	Print Post
	The checkering carried onto the action is quite an interesting approach and the first that I have seen and not easily done.

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3537 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: Ballard with a Checkered Past (unknown maker) Reply #14 - Oct 23^rd, 2020 at 3:22pm	Print Post
	I once tried to sharpen up the knurling on a tool handle just for fun. Used a file. I made it into a horrible looking mess. Cannot imagine sitting down to make that many straight, parallel lines on something like seen here. Astonishing task. All who can engrave at all have my respect- whoever can rule staight after straight line must be the king of 'em all.


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